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Yes thats the theory. I was asking real world. But cheers for the maths lesson.
Electricity doesn't magically disappear, 50kW chargers very reliably deliver 50kW to your battery. Reality won't deviate from the theory by more than a few percent.
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Electricity doesn't magically disappear, 50kW chargers very reliably deliver 50kW to your battery. Reality won't deviate from the theory by more than a few percent.
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Is it literally 1hr to deliver 50kw
No! It delivers 50kW continuously! It’s an hour to deliver 50kWh. Or, likely, slightly longer because of (minimal) losses.

There is a DC charging calculator in the Taycan Charging Calculator:

www.TaycanChargingCalculator.com

You can also enter pricing info to calculate costs (enabled in settings).
 

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It delivers 50kW continuously!
Depending on the SoC, battery temp etc. But yeah basically.

Losses (AC-DC) aren't insignificant, approx. 10% and you're typically charged the metres AC supply so yo'll get roughly 90% of the power delivered into the battery.

Check out the poor efficiency Bjorn gets on a 50 kW DC....@ 7:14 into the vid...

 


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I was more commenting on the kW vs KWh.
The reality, in my experience, is that charger output varies. A 50 kw charger locally generally only puts out about 35 kw. That's been with various SOCs. Also had similar experience at a local Ionity charger....arrived at 20% and only managed less than 100kw. I think that's what the OP may be alluding to about using chargers en route?
 
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The reality, in my experience, is that charger output varies. A 50 kw charger locally generally only puts out about 35 kw. That's been with various SOCs. Also had similar experience at a local Ionity charger....arrived at 20% and only managed less than 100kw. I think that's what the OP may be alluding to about using chargers en route?
This is exactly what I was asking about. Thanks. I've got the general gist from some helpful replies. Real world experience of 50kw chargers in the UK.
 

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A 50 kw charger locally generally only puts out about 35 kw. That's been with various SOCs. Also had similar experience at a local Ionity charger....arrived at 20% and only managed less than 100kw.
to accept a decent rate of charge, the battery needs to be warm (> 30C or so) - so the charger and car will working to get the battery warmed up - that can take a fair bit of power, then the charge current is being limited in any event by the BMS. Charging lithium batteries can get complex. Some of the comments above that say that 50 KW in = 50 KW into the battery are slightly misleading. It can often be way less.
 


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to accept a decent rate of charge, the battery needs to be warm (> 30C or so) - so the charger and car will working to get the battery warmed up - that can take a fair bit of power, then the charge current is being limited in any event by the BMS. Charging lithium batteries can get complex. Some of the comments above that say that 50 KW in = 50 KW into the battery are slightly misleading. It can often be way less.
Agreed. That was the point of my post.
 

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@simcity @Abdul given the significantly higher rates throughout most of the charging power capacity curve, I have a hard time understanding why any significant* prep would be required for the battery to charge at 50kW. I understand that capacity is under ideal circumstances, but this is just so much lower for so much of the curve.

To me, naively, for anything more than around 10% loss for any period of time, I would tend to blame on the charging station itself. But you can correct me as needed.

*That doesn’t have to mean none. But, I have a hard time understanding anything of significance over the course of an hour.
 

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Yeah 50kW can happen almost always until you reach 80%, after which it'll start dropping. You really don't need a preconditioned battery for it.

The biggest risk is mislabeled or badly functioning 50kW chargers. If they're actually capable of delivering 50kW, you should have no issues receving 50kW.
 

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This is exactly what I was asking about. Thanks. I've got the general gist from some helpful replies. Real world experience of 50kw chargers in the UK.
You'll get around 49kW right up to 85% assuming no load sharing etc. I regularly get this level from various 50kW units.
 

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@simcity @Abdul given the significantly higher rates throughout most of the charging power capacity curve, I have a hard time understanding why any significant* prep would be required for the battery to charge at 50kW. I understand that capacity is under ideal circumstances, but this is just so much lower for so much of the curve.

To me, naively, for anything more than around 10% loss for any period of time, I would tend to blame on the charging station itself. But you can correct me as needed.

*That doesn’t have to mean none. But, I have a hard time understanding anything of significance over the course of an hour.
Watch Bjorne’s video that I posted above and you’ll see the same car, same 50 kW rapid returning two very different net charge efficiency results - from 82.5% into the car in the first attempt up (battery heater active and higher SoC) and later again with a warm battery (41C and lower 25% SoC) to 94.7% into the car, although he pulled it before the heater came back on after 15 mins. So huge difference based solely on SOC and heating up the battery or not.

The charging stats you see on the Taycan display are the “honest” (worst case) net figures going into the battery, much like the Tesla. The figures on the actual charger / what you’re charged by the rapid network, will very likely be metered AC / gross figures before any AC-DC conversion losses (5-10% depending on charger and output) and before any heating/cooling of the pack which can again be as much “loss” as the conversion losses.
 
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