New Porsche batteries coming with 800 mile range

[TAYC4S]

@f1eng, I believe the cost of a battery replacement present-day is $40K+. For me, assuming whatever next-generation battery tech is of a similar cost, it would be hard to justify spending what might be more than half of the car's depreciated value. One could trade in the old car and add that same amount of cash to get the latest model with that next-gen battery technology incorporated.

Exactly. Plus changing the battery isn’t the only thing that would need changing or tweaking. If the assumption is lighter/more energy dense technology and even possibly battery cooling needs being different - other hardware and software components would need changing…and that’s before you consider suspension and other things because of weight differentials etc.

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[Machine-Rules]

Solid state batteries are a sort of holy grail of lithium battery tech. There are many companies working on it and at some point it will happen. It won't happen next year or the year after that.

It's 5 to 10 years out before commercial solid state EV high voltage batteries are ready. So buy the Taycan and trust that Porsche is committed enough in maintaining their vehicles that in 15 years when the original battery needs replacing you'll be able to install a new battery tray from Porsche that triples the range.

Do you think the Taycan will last 15 years (even 6-8 years)? Taycan is my first ever Porsche and i am loving it. But I heard that Porsche is not a reliable car and rating is very low..

 

[daveo4EV]

Do you think the Taycan will last 15 years (even 6-8 years)? Taycan is my first ever Porsche and i am loving it. But I heard that Porsche is not a reliable car and rating is very low..

ummmm - yeah it will be fine - Porsche's reliability is great - not sure where you're sourcing your data - 1972 air cooled 911 anyone?

 

[violuma]

I heard that Porsche is not a reliable car and rating is very low.

A brief internet search shows me two potential places where you might have heard this - RepairPal (US) and WarrantyWise (UK).

Both of those look to me to be aftermarket warranty companies, who would seem to have fairly significant incentives to (a) drive internet traffic to their sites and raise brand visibility by making loud clickbait claims, and (b) scare owners of expensive vehicles into buying repair insurance.

I would put more stock in what a firm like J.D. Power has to say, and I believe they have fairly consistently rated the 911 the most reliable car on the road. Naturally, the Taycan is a completely different machine, and it is difficult to generalize with relatively small sample size.

 

[Machine-Rules]

A brief internet search shows me two potential places where you might have heard this - RepairPal (US) and WarrantyWise (UK).

Both of those look to me to be aftermarket warranty companies, who would seem to have fairly significant incentives to (a) drive internet traffic to their sites and raise brand visibility by making loud clickbait claims, and (b) scare owners of expensive vehicles into buying repair insurance.

I would put more stock in what a firm like J.D. Power has to say, and I believe they have fairly consistently rated the 911 the most reliable car on the road. Naturally, the Taycan is a completely different machine, and it is difficult to generalize with relatively small sample size.

Here are some links:

https://www.copilotsearch.com/posts...kable for their,to repair when problems arise.

https://repairpal.com/reliability/porsche

 

[Jagu]

Lease the car instead of buying it.

 

[snstevens]

Here are some links:

https://www.copilotsearch.com/posts/are-porsches-reliable/#:~:text=Porsches are remarkable for their,to repair when problems arise.

https://repairpal.com/reliability/porsche

The first website simply links to the second website, which claims that Porsches are unreliable compared to other vehicles based on cost of repair.

From what I can tell RepairPal is an outfit the tries to do for auto repair what Angie does for home repair. The data that they say they use to estimate the cost of repair is based on invoices from their participating repair shops, not from dealers or from other sources. I think this is a pretty limited view into what it costs to repair a Porsche.

I tried to find good evaluation data on the RepairPal company itself, and while the data I found was all negative (BBB rated them C-) there may be positive data out there.

 

[dtich]

Moral of the story … all comments point out that ‘There will never be a perfect time to buy or for that matter a perfect car/ model to buy’

We are all lucky/ privileged to be able to afford these cars… enjoy the ride.

I also do not understand the psyche behind buying new (customising your car, waiting endlessly) and then immediately worrying (excessively) about resale value - buying new is almost guaranteeing a massive depreciation hit.
Buy used if resale is the biggest contributing factor in decision making.

yes, it's somewhat like marriage. the right way to do it is think long and hard about the decision, then don't look back with regrets, just go forward hand in hand. drive your car man. don't wait for a better battery. in 3000 years we won't think about batteries. until then, chill out.

 

[xyeahtony]

Taycan is 230 miles right now, you really expect it to jump from 230 to 800 in the next couple years? Get real lol.

Tesla is the king of EVs and they haven't even hit 500 miles yet.

 

[goofysurfer]

I do think the Taycan will soon get the same 100 kWh battery that's coming with the Macan EV.

 

[violuma]

Here are some links:

https://www.copilotsearch.com/posts/are-porsches-reliable/#:~:text=Porsches are remarkable for their,to repair when problems arise.

https://repairpal.com/reliability/porsche

I think those are best considered the same source, because the top one quotes the bottom one.

 

[Fish Fingers]

Why is everyone so preoccupied with range? Who wants to drive 800 miles without a break?

Instead of waiting for new batteries, in not too many years we’ll all have access to far more fast chargers so topping up will be similar to a splash and dash of petrol. Range becomes irrelevant

Good point. Especially if there are plentiful ultra fast chargers.

And what people may prioritise then (new or used) will be the cars that can charge the fastest.
Not the one with the biggest battery / longest range.

Taycans fast (800v) charging capability may prove a very good call.

 

[Fish Fingers]

The UK infrastructure is just shocking

Its fine if you live in London.
Levelling up my ar5e....

 

[Chas1]

Really?
Porsche made a big thing about the modular design of the battery and its servicability. Sooner or later the main battery will need service or replacement and experience with almost 20 years of hybrids shows rebuilds are an economical alternative to replacement.

With the motors themselves being simple the bulk of the work at garages in the future will be battery servicing.

Porsche have always publicise how they keeping older cars running and the big proportion of all Porsches made still on the road.

I kind of like the idea of keeping my Taycan for the long term. I know I’ll be tempted by newer models but it would be great to see how this car is going in 20 years time - even it needs a new battery along the way. Like ICE cars need an expensive engine rebuild at some point. I’m not too concerned about a new battery it’s more how all the sensors and other tech on the car will survive in the long run. This is true for ICE cars too of course
As you say with Porsche you know they’ve thought about this and they’ll help keep your car on the road - at a price.

 

[Chas1]

Exactly. Plus changing the battery isn’t the only thing that would need changing or tweaking. If the assumption is lighter/more energy dense technology and even possibly battery cooling needs being different - other hardware and software components would need changing…and that’s before you consider suspension and other things because of weight differentials etc.

Agreed but as I understsnd it Taycan battery is serviceable so you can replace dodgy battery modules if required. Longterm battery prices are going to fall significantly as the tech matures. So a $40k battery becomes $20k. Then it’s a different proposition if you want to replace it.

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