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I’ve noticed this in a few threads on this board, that some argue points that don’t match with currently available configurations.

I would like to caution people that the realities of Taycan optioning changes, and that it may not be helping a person asking for current purchasing advice to assume that standard equipment and option choices are the same as when you ordered perhaps several years prior. I am also in the researching phase while waiting for an allocation, so I tend to cross check optioning assertions that are stated.
Good advice, though the topic of this thread was along the lines of "is the Turbo S worth the extra cost over the Turbo?", so I don't think the current lack of a PCCB option for the Turbo invalidates the discussion of the merits/value of PCCB.
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yes that was it! i found it to be a bit too much fluff and marketing vs information

they said the PMCC is a great deal because it’s $1120 cost included the 25ft charging cord that porsche charges $1500 for cord if you want it with the PMC+ - i just about lost it right there! :facepalm:

their slides listed the Taycan's charge rate as maximum 9.6 kw - I attempt to fix this post presentation - the presenter could not wrap his head around 11 kW max on board charger and 9.6 kW max charge rate for a mobile EVSE. We discussed the Porsche wall Charger (and how it would charge the Taycan at it's full 11 kW), but he asserted/insisted that the Porsche Wall Charger _REQUIRED_ the 19.2 kW option - and was certain that no other EVSE could charge the vehicle other than Porsche EVSE's. He was confused when I pointed out that public L2 chargers work just fine, and that the PMC+/PMCC are nothing special. He felt I had incorrect information that it would void the warranty if I used non-porsche EVSE's - :angry:

there were other minor Porsche-favorable rose colored glasses misinformation and a lot of nearly-wrong EV misinformation - but not quite over the line wrong. - :oops:

One pedal driving is "unsafe" and that's why Porsche will not support it - o_O:angry:

overall I was _NOT_ impressed with the presentation - but there were a lot of first time EV owners in the audience and I shudder to think of the messages they left with - just so bad. :rolleyes::facepalm:

Porsche does not take EV's seriously and it shows :oops:

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Went to one of those and came out with a similar impression. A corporate rep presenting from slides he was given, making up stuff as they go. Here is one more for you - Taycan only lights up brake lights when blended braking switches to mechanical brakes, so at 3.8m/ss deceleration or higher :facepalm: - IIRC it was the very same slide you included in your earlier post.
 
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I’ve noticed this in a few threads on this board, that some argue points that don’t match with currently available configurations.

I would like to caution people that the realities of Taycan optioning changes, and that it may not be helping a person asking for current purchasing advice to assume that standard equipment and option choices are the same as when you ordered perhaps several years prior. I am also in the researching phase while waiting for an allocation, so I tend to cross check optioning assertions that are stated.

For example, the electric steering column adjustment is now available on GTS and up models. I think this was temporarily unavailable below Turbo trim level for a while. Burmester and Bose is available across the entire Taycan range now, where a year or so ago, Burmester and (maybe Bose in some cases) was pulled as an option for many trim levels. Both were due to supply chain problems on getting the electronics. I believe the column issue was ultimately that the control unit was based around a microcontroller that was essentially out of stock. A problem familiar to me.

It does seem like things are better for MY24 and my subjective feeling is that the configurator setup is based more on Porsche’s tier’ing things than on parts availability.
You might be interested in this thread I started recently:
https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/option-choices-compromises.16638/
Hope the info is still relevant.
 

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For example, the electric steering column adjustment is now available on GTS and up models. I think this was temporarily unavailable below Turbo trim level for a while. Burmester and Bose is available across the entire Taycan range now, where a year or so ago, Burmester and (maybe Bose in some cases) was pulled as an option for many trim levels. Both were due to supply chain problems on getting the electronics.
Indeed. When I fixed my spec I had to remove Bose, matrix headlights and Racetex "B" pillar because they were unavailable.
The electric steering column was standard on the CT4S at the time and I did get it, pointless though it is for me.
 

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I want to first thank those that posted about PCCB’s, and expecially Dave for taking the time to post his testing results and discuss them. I thoroughly enjoyed reading this thread.

PCCB’s vs. PSCB is highly relevant to the topic “Turbo vs. Turbo S”, because PCCBs and the front motor/invertor are the key differences. I was not objecting to that. I believe it will be misleading however, should anyone post to the effect that PCCBs are a “must have”, and “wouldn’t have a Porsche without them” when in fact they didn’t have to buy the Taycan Turbo S to get them, but added them on for the low price of < $8K to a substantially lower starting price Taycan trim level. You just can‘t make that configuration today.

Finally, I will note that I just I looked at the US configuration for 718 and 911 models.
718: PCCB’s only available as on option on the GTS 4.0 RS
911: PCCB’s only available as an option on the 911 Turbo S and GT3+

So in light of that, now I’m surprised that the Taycan Turbo S automatically is equipped with PCCB’s since the Porsche flagship sports car models offer them only as an extra option on the very top end trim of those platforms.
 


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So in light of that, now I’m surprised that the Taycan Turbo S automatically is equipped with PCCB’s since the Porsche flagship sports car models offer them only as an extra option on the very top end trim of those platforms.
Probably added to have more to differentiate between Turbo vs Turbo S to justify the price difference. Marketing over function.
 

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Probably added to have more to differentiate between Turbo vs Turbo S to justify the price difference. Marketing over function.
Indeed, otherwise not even Porsche can't justify 30k over a Turbo with basically the same drive train as Turbo S, a bigger inverter doesn't cost that, we're not stupid.
 

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I have a MY22 Turbo which was ordered with the PCCB’s by the previous owner - does anyone know what the cost was for these as I’m intrigued given that you can’t order a Turbo with them now…

The car has a number of ‘tasty’ extras that I certainly wouldn’t have splashed out on, so I’m grateful to the first owner as the car dropped a lot of £’s in just over the year that he owned it. Hopefully it doesn’t depreciate like a lead balloon now that I own it! ?
 


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I have a MY22 Turbo which was ordered with the PCCB’s by the previous owner - does anyone know what the cost was for these as I’m intrigued given that you can’t order a Turbo with them now…

The car has a number of ‘tasty’ extras that I certainly wouldn’t have splashed out on, so I’m grateful to the first owner as the car dropped a lot of £’s in just over the year that he owned it. Hopefully it doesn’t depreciate like a lead balloon now that I own it! ?
Likely an equivalent of 8k-12k euro thereabouts.
 

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I have a MY22 Turbo which was ordered with the PCCB’s by the previous owner - does anyone know what the cost was for these as I’m intrigued given that you can’t order a Turbo with them now…

The car has a number of ‘tasty’ extras that I certainly wouldn’t have splashed out on, so I’m grateful to the first owner as the car dropped a lot of £’s in just over the year that he owned it. Hopefully it doesn’t depreciate like a lead balloon now that I own it! ?
in 2020 - my 2020 Taycan Turbo the option for "PCCB with Calipers in High Gloss Black" was $6,480 USD listed on the window sticker options price - I don't know what other regions pricing was for the year - but that's the cheapest PCCB option I've seen on any vehicles in the Porsche line up.
 

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I’m intrigued given that you can’t order a Turbo with them now…
Interesting, I just noticed that (it was an available option when I ordered my 2023, I remember it was ~$6K, @daveo4EV has the exact price above). So PCCB's went from ~$6.5K to $34K option in the US (ok, maybe $30K since TTS comes with a few options like RAS which someone may option on a Turbo). Metallic white paint option went from $0 to $30K since I ordered, as it now requires PTS+ (no metallic white in standard or PTS colors, at least in the USA).
 

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Interesting, I just noticed that (it was an available option when I ordered my 2023, I remember it was ~$6K, @daveo4EV has the exact price above). So PCCB's went from ~$6.5K to $34K option in the US (ok, maybe $30K since TTS comes with a few options like RAS which someone may option on a Turbo). Metallic white paint option went from $0 to $30K since I ordered, as it now requires PTS+ (no metallic white in standard or PTS colors, at least in the USA).
my guess is the change in options is a reflection of multiple goals - better segmentations between various trims and their price points and recognition of ongoing supply chain realities and simplification of manufacturing logistics by removing permutations from the product mix…

Personally I don't see the TurboS as compelling vs. the Turbo/GTS products - where as there are clear advantages to the TurboS tirm level in other parts of the Porsche line up…some of Porsche's marketing secret sauce and trim level pricing is "lost" in the EV world in my opinion because instant torque which is true across the line is the actual thing people respond to vs. fractional second differences under launch control…

I honestly think the TurboS is a hard sell in the current EV line up…vs. other excellent practical alternatives.
 

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some of Porsche's marketing secret sauce and trim level pricing is "lost" in the EV world in my opinion because instant torque which is true across the line is the actual thing people respond to vs. fractional second differences under launch control…

I honestly think the TurboS is a hard sell in the current EV line up…vs. other excellent practical alternatives.
Not hard, very hard sell. I saved this Turbo S in July when asking price was 125k euro.
I offered them 115k but dealership declined my offer, a week ago they made a massive price drop to get rid of it. A 4S with similar mileage is selling for same money.
I hope Porsche learned a wise lesson that more power in their EV's should not cost double.

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Not hard, very hard sell. I saved this Turbo S in July when asking price was 125k euro. I offered them 115k but declined, 5 month later dealership made a massive price drop in order to sell it.

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Absolute bargain....
Real deals can be found on sedans...loads of them around.
But not just with Taycans...all across the board pricing is dropping...to amazing values....soon everyone will be driving one :)
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