We should not complain - Lucid Owners have the worst of it (Engineering Explained regrets purchase)

[69Mach390]

Brought back memories. I have a 22 GTPE, and forgot about some of these problems.

Yeah luckily they’re mostly problems of the past.

These cars became way to heavily dependent on glitchy tech (cell phones and the internet). Will always create down service and compatibility issues as things change.

At least OTA updates make fixes easier.

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[BeeEmm]

Someone once said that "Americans don't know how to make cars". I presume he meant those from the USA. Was he right?

 

[Zcd1]

Brutal software issues, proving that even in the age of SDVs, building cars is really hard!

 

[Dave Birch]

Fisker was dead before it started.

Lucid made the mistake of trying to be Tesla: very fast, very bland vehicles.

Take that powertrain and put it in a good looking car and they have a winner.

Instead their latest try is an 800 hp minivan. Seriously….. who designed this??

looks too much like-

Reminds me of a Chrysler. I saw a 2002 Sebring soft top today - my thought was ‘they should have gone to specsavers. ’

 

[Freeewilly]

Porsche server issue’s drive me crazy - I waste time trying to figure out what’s wrong then realize it’s not on my end and reach out to Porsche who always claims there having no issues, then an hour or hours later everything is back up and running.

Some of the issues that are familiar:
Profile confusion when my wife is in the car (same as he experiences) - this mainly relates to the Rivian.
No sound from speakers.
Seat no returning to profile position.
Satellite radio not loading.

I guess when I really think about, more issues in relation to Rivian then Porsche, which makes sense. Most of the Porsche issues that were in common are more one off events.

One thing I noticed is whenever I talk to Porsche about a issue, they always seem like it's one off and they've never heard of the problem before. I believe they are trained to respond this way.

 

[Brombaer1971]

Brutal software issues, proving that even in the age of SDVs, building cars is really hard!

It shouldn‘t. But if you treat soft- and hardware separate and most of the software comes from several of your regular partners it gets messy. This is something what Tesla recognized very early and was spot in doing itself. Everyone Else complaines and hasn‘t really successful in Adapting the new mindset. If you continue Building cars like in the 90ies you are DOOMED. As a software guy I was baffeld back in the day when VW announced their bold CARIAD idea (what could go wrong Building a software company and scaling it to 5000 people in no time I asked myself. Big issue in itself, add company and Brand internal power mangling and BOOM there you are today). I am just shaking my head when I hear that song.

 

[Zcd1]

I’d argue that Tesla and Rivian have mostly gotten SDV development right, and everyone else has gotten it wrong in varying degrees.

 

[SergeyIndy]

Gravity is definitely a van with lots of software glitches and too many screens.
Sustained charging speed for 20 min at 220kW is a positive point.

Who is the target market as in what family with 3 to 4 kids can afford this to buy enough of these to keep Lucid afloat?

 

[69Mach390]

Gravity is definitely a van with lots of software glitches and too many screens.
Sustained charging speed for 20 min at 220kW is a positive point.

Who is the target market as in what family with 3 to 4 kids can afford this to buy enough of these to keep Lucid afloat?

When I was a kid, I had posters on my wall of the fastest supercars out there. Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc.

No one is buying a poster of these things.

So why do they have 800 hp?

If you’re looking for a family hauler, 800 hp doesn’t make the list of requirements.

I honestly don’t understand the target market for a lot of the 800-1000 hp sedans, trucks and SUVs.

Outside of EV world, those vehicles either don’t exist or are anything close to that power/performance level is EXTREMELY low volume. Example- of the 87,000 Dodge Chargers sold/yr, less than 8% were the 700+ hp hellcats.

 

[gamueller]

When I was a kid, I had posters on my wall of the fastest supercars out there. Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc.

No one is buying a poster of these things.

So why do they have 800 hp?

If you’re looking for a family hauler, 800 hp doesn’t make the list of requirements.

I honestly don’t understand the target market for a lot of the 800-1000 hp sedans, trucks and SUVs.

Outside of EV world, those vehicles either don’t exist or are anything close to that power/performance level is EXTREMELY low volume. Example- of the 87,000 Dodge Chargers sold/yr, less than 8% were the 700+ hp hellcats.

It's one of the few justifications for the insane price, even if nobody needs it.

 

[69Mach390]

It's one of the few justifications for the insane price, even if nobody needs it.

Sure, but it’s business 101. And Tesla, Rivian, Hummer and Lucid are making the same exact basic mistakes.

They’re targeting a very very small target market. Even one that didn’t even exist before and finding out the hard way.

There aren’t that many people looking for daily driver 800-1000 hp sedans, trucks and SUVs. Especially ones that look somewhere between “plain” and downright ugly.

Put those drivetrains in either actual sports cars, or sedans, trucks and SUVs that LOOK as fast as they are.

Design isn’t even that hard. AI could spit out 1000 design ideas in a few minutes that look better than what they came up with.

 

[Brombaer1971]

Regarding Design I respectfully disagree. I am discussing this very topic with an actual car Designer on a regular basis. What a Designer wants is absolute control over his intent and that is something that AI has a big issue with. Noone in the car world is actually designing a car with it. Keep in mind that AI is in the end some very clever statistical process, there is no real understanding/thinking even if it appears so. But it is there and the technology is at the beginning of its evolution so let’s see what it is evolving into.

 

[69Mach390]

Regarding Design I respectfully disagree. I am discussing this very topic with an actual car Designer on a regular basis. What a Designer wants is absolute control over his intent and that is something that AI has a big issue with. Noone in the car world is actually designing a car with it. Keep in mind that AI is in the end some very clever statistical process, there is no real understanding/thinking even if it appears so. But it is there and the technology is at the beginning of its evolution so let’s see what it is evolving into.

Have you see the AI car designs? They look amazing!

No, you wouldn’t design an entire car with AI. But my point was that it’s not hard to come up with ideas for a “good looking” car.

And yet the designers of EVs seem to be stuck trying to figure the formula out. Awkward grills, huge C pillars, weird tail lights.

They know how to put 1000 hp in a car but don’t know what “sporty” looks like?

Just because the first gen Prius and Tesla were good sellers doesn’t mean they should be the design inspiration for all efficient vehicles to come.

We need more performance EVs that look like the Taycan instead.

 

[BeeEmm]

We need more performance EVs that look like the Taycan

No we don't, we want individuality.

 

[Brombaer1971]

I respect your opinion, but I disagree.

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