GTS Sport Turismo range

[W1NGE]

Not weird, from March to October, I hardly ever have AC or the standard fan on in my current S class as the V8 needs all the help it can get to go from 2 mpg to 3! Deepest darkest winter is the only exception to clear condensation in the morning.

I do have seat heating on most of the time in winter though...I am assuming that seat heating will use less battery than the AC in an EV, hope that's correct?

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[f1eng]

Taycan has around the same coefficient of drag

The actual drag is proportional to Cd times frontal area, not just Cd (I suppose that is rather obvious though)

Tesla Plaid and Lucid Air are on 19, 20, and 21 in rims

It is the width of the tyre (ie its frontal area) which adds drag, not the diameter of the wheel.

Range has never been a substantial part of my purchase consideration in any car I have bought for the last 50 years, personally.

 

[npx]

The actual drag is proportional to Cd times frontal area, not just Cd (I suppose that is rather obvious though)



It is the width of the tyre (ie its frontal area) which adds drag, not the diameter of the wheel.

Range has never been a substantial part of my purchase consideration in any car I have bought for the last 50 years, personally.

thank you for the technical insight. however, all of those cars do have similar tyre sections to our cars as they don't really do a lot of skinny 20in/21in tires because it would end up looking like an i3 lol

not meaning to be rude on your last comment but did you buy a lot of EV's the last 50 years? of course range isn't a concern in a gas car...

 

[f1eng]

not meaning to be rude on your last comment but did you buy a lot of EV's the last 50 years? of course range isn't a concern in a gas car...

My 1991 Merc 500E and Ferrari 355 have a shorter range than my Taycan.

It is only since EVs that people have started banging on interminably about range.

I find it spectacularly irritating since it really isn’t that important and nobody got their knickers in a twist about it with sports cars before.

 

[Wilson]

thank you for the technical insight. however, all of those cars do have similar tyre sections to our cars as they don't really do a lot of skinny 20in/21in tires because it would end up looking like an i3 lol

not meaning to be rude on your last comment but did you buy a lot of EV's the last 50 years? of course range isn't a concern in a gas car...

Tesla Model 3 Performance tyres are 225 wide on 9” wide 20” wheels so they are super stretched to have the right look but minimise the contact patch, look on any forum about how easy they are to curb as a result.

Not sure on UK spec new Model S as it’s not out yet but I would expect no more than 255 wide which is over an inch narrower than the rears on 20” Taycan wheels.

 

[DoctorLife]

My 1991 Merc 500E and Ferrari 355 have a shorter range than my Taycan.

It is only since EVs that people have started banging on interminably about range.

I find it spectacularly irritating since it really isn’t that important and nobody got their knickers in a twist about it with sports cars before.

Completely agree

I have to fill £60 of petrol into my S500 pretty much every 10 days in city traffic for an approx 50% full tank for a 12 mile round trip to work 4 days a week, with a very light right foot.

Put the foot down regularly,, that will be every few days. I cannot envisage a Taycan being anything like as profligate with the same driving pattern and a fill to 85% every 3 weeks possible at much lower cost.

 

[Sidicks]

Range has never been a substantial part of my purchase consideration in any car I have bought for the last 50 years, personally.

Same for me - my RS4 barely got 20mpg on short journeys, which gave a range of not much more than 200 miles. On longer journeys I might get around 275 miles depending on how sensible I was.

The Taycan GTS will be much better than this, although for longer trips ‘home’ to Cornwall, I will need to plan for a 20min charge rather than a 5min petrol fill-up.

I certainly won’t be changing air-con and other settings to focus on range!

 

[Archimedes]

Comparing range of a petrol car to an EV is disingenuous, as you can fuel the former pretty much anywhere and don’t have to manage your stops based on refueling. If you do any long distance traveling, EV range matters. Unless of course your a nerd who enjoys playing with maps, and apps, and such.

Having lived with my Taycan for 10k miles, I would not buy another EV with a real world range less than 300 miles. In my experience, that’s the sweet spot where range anxiety on trips would fall away here in the US, given infrastructure spacing. 200 miles is fine for me for the Taycan as my local car, but not if it was our only car.

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

Comparing range of a petrol car to an EV is disingenuous, as you can fuel the former pretty much anywhere and don’t have to manage your stops based on refueling. If you do any long distance traveling, EV range matters. Unless of course your a nerd who enjoys playing with maps, and apps, and such.

Having lived with my Taycan for 10k miles, I would not buy another EV with a real world range less than 300 miles. In my experience, that’s the sweet spot where range anxiety on trips would fall away here in the US, given infrastructure spacing. 200 miles is fine for me for the Taycan as my local car, but not if it was our only car.

I’m at 5k miles over 2 months. Range is absolutely an academic concern, and “managing stops” is trivial if one simply allows for more time. I’ve never quite gotten this obsession with fastest time on longer trips, and I’m glad to see it doesn’t affect me - I’d rather take this car and spend more time getting there.

There are trips here in the PNW that would be difficult in the Taycan, but the difference between 200 and 300 miles of range would not be sufficient to be a decision factor/go or no-go for those routes. For these trips, though, I’d rather take the 996, and so all is well.

YM, of course, MV.

 

[Wilson]

Having lived with my Taycan for 10k miles, I would not buy another EV with a real world range less than 300 miles. In my experience, that’s the sweet spot where range anxiety on trips would fall away here in the US, given infrastructure spacing. 200 miles is fine for me for the Taycan as my local car, but not if it was our only car.

I can totally understand this where longer distances and more open space is a consideration.

There actually aren’t that many about with 300 miles real world tho. My M3P is supposed to be 340 miles which is frankly impossible, it would probably do 300 miles on a charge around town where it seemed most efficient by far but where range is least important. I have done the 305 mile trip back home to Blackpool twice in it, on both occasions it used about 160% charge to achieve that journey at UK motorway speeds in summer, speed is definitely a killer to mileage in that car which thankfully the Taycan doesn’t seem to suffer with as much using the gearbox.

My average consumption in the M3P over 17000 miles is 385Wh/mile meaning real world range of 212 miles on the 82kWh battery.

 

[Scandinavian]

Same for me - my RS4 barely got 20mpg on short journeys, which gave a range of not much more than 200 miles. On longer journeys I might get around 275 miles depending on how sensible I was.

The Taycan GTS will be much better than this, although for longer trips ‘home’ to Cornwall, I will need to plan for a 20min charge rather than a 5min petrol fill-up.

I certainly won’t be changing air-con and other settings to focus on range!

20 mpg??? That would be a dream in my Aston!

I get about 350 km usable if I charge to 100% but shorter at high motorway speeds. The Range is perfectly ok and good reminder to take a break ever so often. The real issue is how will RapidChargers are spaced out. If there were chargers as often as petrol station I think this debate would be much less.

Driving on the autobahn you may need a stop about every two hours to charge. And that is sensible because of the speeds that cars can travel at times. It is quite easy to have the cruise control set at some 190 km/h but you have to be very alert for other traffic. So a rest stop and coffee every two hours is great to stay sharp and alert.

I do Not understand all these comments about switching off air con etc etc to get a few more miles in range. Wearing gloves and hats in winter? That is not why I bought my Taycan, You do not need a Porsche of you would like to do hypermiling?

 

[f1eng]

If you do any long distance traveling, EV range matters.

I can see that in the USA and Australia, but in Europe the infrastructure is good enough and even here in the low investment UK it isn't a problem IME, in fact my wife finds the "stop, plug in, get a drink, drive on" sequence much nicer than stopping for petrol then going somewhere else for a drink, and I agree.

 

[RGBArgee]

Have just taken delivery of my new 23 plate GTS Sport Turismo. My main reason for switching from my Taycan Turbo was the prospect of close to 300 miles range, meaning I could get to Cornwall in one go from Oxfordshire without the lottery that is Collumpton Services.
Massively disappointed to see a range of 197 miles, which is 30 miles LESS than the Turbo it replaces. Porsche dealer worse than useless as normal. Does anybody have any suggestions/know of upcoming software upgrades?

My CT4S dropped from 220 to 187 after software upgrade... back in December in very cold weather. I can't see you getting to Cornwall in one go... but Porsche OPC Bristol is just off M5 and Portishead J19 M5 have a public 50KW charger by sports centre.

 

[RGBArgee]

Same for me - my RS4 barely got 20mpg on short journeys, which gave a range of not much more than 200 miles. On longer journeys I might get around 275 miles depending on how sensible I was.

The Taycan GTS will be much better than this, although for longer trips ‘home’ to Cornwall, I will need to plan for a 20min charge rather than a 5min petrol fill-up.

I certainly won’t be changing air-con and other settings to focus on range!

Miss my RS4's had 2 before Taycan.... The planning a trip can be a pain and I doubt you will get much more than 250 miles even in warm weather with 93K battery.

 

[Sidicks]

Miss my RS4's had 2 before Taycan.... The planning a trip can be a pain and I doubt you will get much more than 250 miles even in warm weather with 93K battery.

For me it’s simply not an issue, given the number of occasions per year where it will be relevant.

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