Range complaint posts ❓

[BMonte13]

My two cents: Owning an EV without being able to charge at home is like owning a cell phone without being able to charge at home.

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[Torv]

It seems every week someone is complaining about the range on their Taycan. 199 Miles on a full charge?!?! 220 Miles with 100% SOC?!?!

Right, I get it, I've complained a fair bit about the display (you guys call in the guess-o-meter lol) only showing 375KM when I get in the car. One I test drove had only 50 or 60KM hahaha wow, it was surprisingly low but still not bad to drive. Anyways, something just occurred to me. ?I'm on a Porsche forum! I can't remember the last 911 owner I spoke to, ever, ever, mention their gas milage to me. Ever. Why would they? They're driving a 911 for God sakes! They tell me what a joy it is to drive, own, how reliable it is, the heads it turns, how it makes them feel, but never, at least to me, have they complained they only get 200 Miles on a tank! I googled a 911 GT3 and got this:

Range, city/highway (miles) 253.50 / 304.20
Porsche 911 GT3 / GT3 RS Features and Specs - Car and Driver

Yes, I know charging takes longer than filling up a tank, we all know this and we couldn't care less about that stat (personally, I appreciate the break) but you guys are driving one of the, if not the best EV on the market, and Heaven Forbid it doesn't get the range of a Prius

Sorry for the rant!

P.S. Posting in KM is far more impressive! 280 Miles = 450KM ?

Last night I charged my 4S to the recommended daily charge of 80% which resulted in a 214-mile estimate. When I toggled to Range mode, the car indicated a 228-mile range. Driving and road-tripping this car has been a piece of cake thus far. And with my brand Michelins, I wouldn't be surprised if the car managed 275 miles range.

 

[Hanny]

…..this forum of late has been quite a cooking pot for negativity, I haven’t posted much as I don’t have the energy or inclination to participate in conversations that there is no resolution or positive outcome.

How ever, for this thread, (and a number of others), I have noticed comments about Tesla’s and their ‘claimed’ mileage range being the benchmark. Having a Model X long range for the last 3 years, my experience is that Tesla predicted range is at best hopeful, yes it shows 300+ miles BUT it has NEVER achieved that. It is heavily documented that the Tesla’s give an over estimate, in fact they are one if not the worst manufacturer for it.

NO the battery is not broken..it’s just the way it is. Will batteries become less efficient/degrade over time….YES of course they will just the same as most ICE cars engines will do over time.

Cold reality is that ALL forms of transport have variables that will never be the same….thus seeking comparisons is never going to give a scientific conclusion that everyone will be happy with. BUT there is an explanation for the various post concerning range………could it be just simply ‘range anxiety’?

…here’s to hoping that this forum returns to the positive, fun place it used to be……….

 

[or1]

I agree with a comment above that home charging is vital. Then all that charging time is not mine, just the car’s and I don’t mind it at all. And an interesting calculation can be done: ICE gas station time versus EV long trip charging time (with restroom time perhaps subtracted). Be sure to sum up ALL gas station time, not only on long trips.

I think I will come out of that with less time spent on «refueling» the Taycan than any similar ICE vehicle.

 

[Ztarman]

No the problem is expectation. The published selling data in the glossy marketing material does not reflect real world range. All the manufacturers do it.

 

[Amelio]

it’s true and I’m sure most forums go this way at one point or another. Without the interjection of positivity many conversations can go this way, and a downward spiral!

My point was it’s a Porsche and drive it as such, or creep around hypemiling then be sure to come here and tell us how you got 350 miles!

Most Taycans I see are flying by my old T, they’re almost always in a hurry, which is what you would expect for a Porsche.
If you drive a T above 100km you’d be hard pressed to achieve rated range with a consumption of 192wh/km.
When my wife drives she often gets 170/km. 85kWh/170=500km on a car rated for 404.
when I drive we’re 350 a “tank” but imo having a lot more fun!

I found the Taycan screens a bit confusing and couldn’t easily dig up my consumption. On the other hand, I couldn’t care less as I was having too much fun driving! I charged at home and on the road twice, it was a great experience. I know I’m repeating myself, but it warrants being repeated: I’ve never seen anything charge faster at a high SOC than the Taycan, jeez it’s fast.

…..this forum of late has been quite a cooking pot for negativity, I haven’t posted much as I don’t have the energy or inclination to participate in conversations that there is no resolution or positive outcome.

How ever, for this thread, (and a number of others), I have noticed comments about Tesla’s and their ‘claimed’ mileage range being the benchmark. Having a Model X long range for the last 3 years, my experience is that Tesla predicted range is at best hopeful, yes it shows 300+ miles BUT it has NEVER achieved that. It is heavily documented that the Tesla’s give an over estimate, in fact they are one if not the worst manufacturer for it.

NO the battery is not broken..it’s just the way it is. Will batteries become less efficient/degrade over time….YES of course they will just the same as most ICE cars engines will do over time.

Cold reality is that ALL forms of transport have variables that any will never be the same….thus seeking comparisons is never going to give a scientific conclusion that everyone will be happy with. BUT there is an explanation for the various post concerning range………could it be just simply ‘range anxiety’?

…here’s to hoping that this forum returns to the positive, fun place it used to be……….

 

[Amelio]

I think another poster nailed it when he said people expect these things to do everything at max: max power max range max features. Maybe it stands to reason as they’re max price!

my c63 v8 was 481hp and I filled up every 4 days. What a gas guzzler.

EPA MPG

Premium Gasoline 15 combined city/highway MPG 13 city 19 highway 6.7 gals/100 miles

It wasn’t the money so much as the inconvenience of going to the local gas station. My wife didn’t mind (spending money? No that’s not nice) but I don’t like wallet draining fill ups. Her petrol SUV has to go! Imagine going around telling everyone how much gas my c63 was using? “Get a Prius!” would have what I was hearing. “It’s a V8 Mercedes!”

No the problem is expectation. The published selling data in the glossy marketing material does not reflect real world range. All the manufacturers do it.

 

[Archimedes]

It seems every week someone is complaining about the range on their Taycan. 199 Miles on a full charge?!?! 220 Miles with 100% SOC?!?!

Right, I get it, I've complained a fair bit about the display (you guys call in the guess-o-meter lol) only showing 375KM when I get in the car. One I test drove had only 50 or 60KM hahaha wow, it was surprisingly low but still not bad to drive. Anyways, something just occurred to me. ?I'm on a Porsche forum! I can't remember the last 911 owner I spoke to, ever, ever, mention their gas milage to me. Ever. Why would they? They're driving a 911 for God sakes! They tell me what a joy it is to drive, own, how reliable it is, the heads it turns, how it makes them feel, but never, at least to me, have they complained they only get 200 Miles on a tank! I googled a 911 GT3 and got this:

Range, city/highway (miles) 253.50 / 304.20
Porsche 911 GT3 / GT3 RS Features and Specs - Car and Driver

Yes, I know charging takes longer than filling up a tank, we all know this and we couldn't care less about that stat (personally, I appreciate the break) but you guys are driving one of the, if not the best EV on the market, and Heaven Forbid it doesn't get the range of a Prius

Sorry for the rant!

P.S. Posting in KM is far more impressive! 280 Miles = 450KM ?

You don’t understand why range is an issue for EV drivers, but not for ICE? Do you know what those buildings with pumps in front of them on just about every other street corner are? Hint; they’re not EV chargers.

 

[Amelio]

It’s about mindset. I’ve had an EV for 8 years now, range anxiety happened only once rolling into a target in upstate New York with 50 miles in the tank

we’ve done a few 1500 mile road trips with no issues, and my wife always seem to find destination chargers at the hotel.

You don’t understand why range is an issue for EV drivers, but not for ICE? Do you know what those buildings with pumps in front of them on just about every other street corner are? Hint; they’re not EV chargers.

 

[dtich]

…..this forum of late has been quite a cooking pot for negativity, I haven’t posted much as I don’t have the energy or inclination to participate in conversations that there is no resolution or positive outcome.

How ever, for this thread, (and a number of others), I have noticed comments about Tesla’s and their ‘claimed’ mileage range being the benchmark. Having a Model X long range for the last 3 years, my experience is that Tesla predicted range is at best hopeful, yes it shows 300+ miles BUT it has NEVER achieved that. It is heavily documented that the Tesla’s give an over estimate, in fact they are one if not the worst manufacturer for it.

NO the battery is not broken..it’s just the way it is. Will batteries become less efficient/degrade over time….YES of course they will just the same as most ICE cars engines will do over time.

Cold reality is that ALL forms of transport have variables that will never be the same….thus seeking comparisons is never going to give a scientific conclusion that everyone will be happy with. BUT there is an explanation for the various post concerning range………could it be just simply ‘range anxiety’?

…here’s to hoping that this forum returns to the positive, fun place it used to be……….

+1 on the home charging thought. i realize it isn't practical or doable for everyone, but one of the singular joys of driving electric is plugging in at night and being fully 'gassed up' and ready to go the next morning. i can count on one hand the number of gas stations i've visited in the last decade.

also, remember the tesla range is initially calculated at 'ideal' conditions, then adjusts as parameters vary. ideal is something like flat road, 55mph, 72ºF... not the way i drive. ever. so with the tesla i knew what my expected range was from personal experience and relied on the range meter only as i got closer and closer to needing a charge as that's when it's most accurate anyway. the P range meter may take historical values more into account initially compared to the tesla system.

fortunately, or because of sensible planning, i use my car for largely local commuting and i have had solar on my home for many years. so i drive photons and never worry about range. when i have to do a long trip i plan as the rest of us have been relating, and more and more this will become doable as the charging network fills out in location and reliability. soon we won't have to talk about it.

until then, continue relating all the myriad experiences, if nothing else i hope it's keeping the competition sharp and charger network companies on their toes.

 

[Amelio]

In our neighbouring city in Canada, Montreal we went to the F1 race last year. There were 4 chargers in front of our hotel and 48 other ones around Montreal. Toronto has got a ways to go to catch our French neighbour! Best part was charging, was a dollar an hour for eight hours with a four hour grace period after that so we could leave the car there for 12 hours if we needed to. ?

You don’t understand why range is an issue for EV drivers, but not for ICE? Do you know what those buildings with pumps in front of them on just about every other street corner are? Hint; they’re not EV chargers.

 

[f1eng]

Montreal we went to the F1 race last year.

I have family in Montreal so used to go out a bit early for that race and visit.
It was always one of my favourite trips.
Fabulous city IME.

 

[McgR]

To summarize:

Taycan is keeping advertised range at higher speed and lower temperatures

the guessometer is what it is. Unless you enter a destination then it is really good at predicting the range. Posting high range is fun but usually nobody can reproduce this mileage in a long highway trip. And it is only then where it matters.

Range at 100% charge is only for the first part of a road trip. The rest of the trip is between 80 and 10 % SoC. So you only use 70 % if the battery anyway.

Total range is not important in daily use for most people. Unless you can’t charge at home or have really long commutes.

Charging speed (and fast charger availability ) is of equal importance as range. Optimum for me may be driving +/- 2.5 hours and charging 20 minutes.

driving faster gets you faster at your destination when sufficient fast chargers are available along the way. The higher consumption can be charged easily within the gained time. It is more expensive however. For example driving 260 km at 130 kmh in stead of 100 km gets you there 36 minutes erlier. Charging takes 25 minutes. You will be en route 10 minutes before the slower car arrives.

 

[Derip88]

My 4S gets just under 300 miles of highway driving at 75mph on a full charge in a mild climate (no cold winters).

The problem is not the mileage per charge compared to a full tank of gas, it is the time to charge. If you don't have a 350 kw DC charger near you and an hour to spare, you need a level 2 AC home charger that takes about 10 hours to fully charge. This compares to 5 minutes at a gas station around the corner.

Of course, as BEVs become a larger percentage of vehicles on the road, the number of gas stations will decline and the number of DC fast chargers will increase.

Those considering their first BEV would do well to understand these realities and relate them to their use case before they take the plunge.

Exactly!!! That’s why there are many range complaining posts.

 

[tchavei]

I want to say so many things after reading this thread ?

1. I'm a first time Porsche owner. I've never considered buying a Porsche before the Taycan simply because of daily running costs. I had a Z3 when I was a youngster and let me tell you what a real gessometer is. I would top off the tank, drive 200km on the highway and the fuel reserve would come up at the 1/4 tank gauge indicator. Why? Because that car managed to burn fuel faster than the needle to update its position ?. I dreaded any Porsche would be the same or worse. I don't mind sinking $150k in a one-time purchase but it deeply annoys me shelling out real money every 3 or 4 days to feed a monster. With current (and past pandemic) fuel prices here, the Taycan seemed to be a great choice.

2. No, I can't charge my car at home. I've explained it already several times on this forum. It just isn't compatible to where I choose to live. Maybe when I retire it will be possible. Who knows. I wish I could but I can't. It's not the end of the world and anyone in the same situation shouldn't drop the EV idea because of it. You can live off public charging (at 50kWh for example). I did all the math before ordering the car and now, after 4 months of ownership I can confirm, it works. I only "need" to charge once per week during a typical work week. The charge is enough to cover those 300-350km I do and it's 1h30m of my life that I can use to get groceries or just watch a movie in the car while waiting. It's not a big deal. It's still 2x cheaper than my diesel Mercedes c220 cdi doing the same commutes. A Porsche with a 2x lower running costs then a middle tier Mercedes. Dream come true.

3. I have absolutely no range anxiety. I plan ahead, add 20% overhead and I'm good. What I do have is **charger anxiety!** First 3 months were absolutely wonderful. I did 8000km just doing trips with the family. Every single charger I've chosen worked at the max rate, no queues, always available, always perfect.

Then August appeared. A solid charging network became overcrowded with 4 million tourists (in a country of 10 million) and many of those tourists brought their EVs. Queues, broken chargers, chargers rebooting, etc etc. My charger anxiety skyrocketed. It wasn't about getting to a charger. It was wondering if I would be able to charge once I got there. I repeat. With a solid charger grid, nobody cares about range. Stop, hook up, drink a coffee, leave. It's simple.
That being said, I was NEVER left stranded in now almost 9k km but I had more worries in the past 2 weeks than I had in the previous 3 months ownership.

4. People often mention time charging. On a trip, on the highway, you get to a 350kW charger and spend 22 minutes or less charging while you go to the bathroom and drink a coffee.
With an ICE car, you spend let's say 5 minutes filling up your tank. Another 5 minutes going into the store to pay the gas. Then you have to take your car out of the pump location and park it again. That takes 2 min. Then you have to go to the bathroom. 5 min including washing your hands. Then you go for the promised coffee. At least another 10 min including paying for it . So total we're talking... 27 minutes? Hmm ?. Doesn't sound much different to charging an EV except that you have to do things in series instead of parallel.

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