Range complaint posts ❓

[tchavei]

I'm going to guess, is it because you live in an apartment complex ? I do too and had to work hard to get a charger at my parking space.

Our electricity meters are in the same basement as the underground car park – but our apartment itself is many floors up.

Thankfully, after many presentations, getting a survey and hiring an electrician – I did manage to get permission to split the electricity supply after my meter – but before it heads up to our apartment – to run a spur along overhead cable trays to our parking space.

We also ran an ethernet cable to pass energy utilisation to the charger – so that it can ramp down if the apartment and charger combined gets near the maximum import capacity of the main fuse.

That way all the electricity usage is billed against our apartment – and it all runs through the 63A main fuse that our apartment uses.

We have two EV's and I do not think we would have any if we had not managed to get a private charger installed.

From our management companies perspective – the challenge isn't the work – its that the additional wiring (the splitter, dedicated fuse to charger, etc) takes up room on the main distribution board – and it wasn't designed with any of this in mind.

Only about four more chargers can be installed in our complex (of > 500 apartments) and then the distribution board is full and a new breakout board would need to be installed. I think – with current Irish government plans around promoting EVs – that will eventually have to happen.

Any new apartment complex builds – now require a dedicated power line running to each parking space as part of planning regulations. So this is already becoming a "legacy" issue.

We chose a charger with PIN protection – just to make sure that it didn't become a "community charger" when we're not parked there!

Indeed and downtown of my city. Construction needs to maximize profit so they skip on garages altogether. Being close to the sea doesn't help either as they are shy of digging too deep and deal with the complications.
It's just so convenient having all utilities and schools for the kids in walking range. A garage will have to wait.

The closest one is about the same distance. And within 1km there is probably, rough guess, 15 or so, avg 4 fast charges per station.

38 chargers here but only 5 are 50kw+. A new supermarket is being bulit right now so curious if we will get another 50 or maybe a 100kW.

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[ben1]

I initially specced the larger battery, and then deliberately switched to the smaller one. Partially this freed up some budget that could be reallocated to other options, but primarily it was because it felt wasteful to spend the bulk of the time lugging around the extra weight.

I also got the small battery.
Looking back, the big battery would be totally unnecessary.

I only fast-charged 6 times this year. An average of 16 minutes.
Of which one changing stop could have been avoided if I would have the bigger battery. That time, I charged for 7 minutes.
So I could have saved 7 minutes this year, if I would have bought the 6000 euro extra battery capacity,

 

[Amelio]

The Youtuber MKBHD did a mini review on the Taycan Turbo vs Plaid and the efficiency of each, it was interesting.

MKBHD Taycan vs Telsa efficiency

The whole video: Porsche Taycan Turbo: I Almost Switched! [Auto Focus Ep 6]

Bottom line: He loves the Taycan's quality and driving dynamics, but prefers the slightly better wh/m of the Plaid. The Taycan consumes another 50+ Wh/Mile over Tesla:

 

[Amelio]

There are multiple gas mileage threads on RL.

They discuss it because it’s amazing how efficient the current 911 can be.

And then (of course) tell each other how they’re driving the car wrong.


I get around 550miles/tank out of mine, but I think I could hit 800 if I pushed for it and cared to drive in that manner for a full tank.
Here’s my last tank.

I care. A lot. That’s why our Taycan is local use only.

Maybe there are threads but I'm referring to the people I've bumped into over the years. No one has ever mentioned the gas milage of their 911 to me. On the other hand I've yet to have an EV chat with anyone that hasn't has me how far I can go on a charge and how long it takes me to "fill up." ? I do acknowledge how efficient the 911 is, it's a great car.

 

[Archimedes]

Maybe there are threads but I'm referring to the people I've bumped into over the years. No one has ever mentioned the gas milage of their 911 to me. On the other hand I've yet to have an EV chat with anyone that hasn't has me how far I can go on a charge and how long it takes me to "fill up."

Again, if you don’t understand why, you’re either just trolling or lack basic logic skills.

 

[911-TOUR]

Through 14,000+ miles on my Carrera T, only 3x have I gotten more than 220 miles on a tank...yep, those were the 30+ mpg road trips.

Around town, my normal routine in Houston, a Taycan is perfectly comparable in terms of range.

And here in Abu Dhabi - same thing. My normal usage is 40 - 60Km / day. About 10-15 Kwh/day (on the charger), which equates to about AED 25 (~ USD $7) / week in electricity.

Compare that to my buddy in his V8 Patrol doing 250 AED (~USD $68) every week. Different vehicles, for sure...but still - 10x the running cost for energy.

 

[Jhenson29]

Through 14,000+ miles on my Carrera T, only 3x have I gotten more than 220 miles on a tank...yep, those were the 30+ mpg road trips.

Um, 220 miles at “30+mpg” is just over 7 gallons.
I think you need to rethink that one.

 

[Jonathan S.]

[...] …here’s to hoping that this forum returns to the positive, fun place it used to be……….

Ahem, have my efforts been for naught? The spreadsheet with the specs for all 67 used 4CT for sale in the entire United States? The anticipated marital problems? Now if all that does not provide sufficient entertainment, well, I gave it my best shot!
(Although just wait for the live streaming once the Taycan actually arrives on Monday...)

 

[Jonathan S.]

You don’t understand why range is an issue for EV drivers, but not for ICE? Do you know what those buildings with pumps in front of them on just about every other street corner are? Hint; they’re not EV chargers.

Are half of those pumps broken and the other half running at one-quarter impulse power?
And are they owned by a company that agreed to spend $2b on them in consideration of mitigating a cash civil penalty such that the owner doesn't care whether they actually work reliably?

 

[Archimedes]

Are half of those pumps broken and the other half running at one-quarter impulse power?
And are they owned by a company that agreed to spend $2b on them in consideration of mitigating a cash civil penalty such that the owner doesn't care whether they actually work reliably?

Re read my post. I don’t think you understood it.

 

[Jonathan S.]

[...] It wasn't about getting to a charger. It was wondering if I would be able to charge once I got there. I repeat. With a solid charger grid, nobody cares about range. [...]

Quoted for emphasis -- this is exactly what we face in many (most?) regions of the United States.
So, not really Range Anxiety, but rather, CCS1 DCFC Anxiety.

[...] With an ICE car, you spend let's say 5 minutes filling up your tank. Another 5 minutes going into the store to pay the gas. Then you have to take your car out of the pump location and park it again. That takes 2 min. Then you have to go to the bathroom. 5 min including washing your hands. Then you go for the promised coffee. At least another 10 min including paying for it . So total we're talking... 27 minutes? Hmm ?. Doesn't sound much different to charging an EV except that you have to do things in series instead of parallel.

I've timed fill-ups with my Audi A6 Allroad. Almost always less than five minutes total.
I do agree that some people have alternative approaches.

 

[Jonathan S.]

Re read my post. I don’t think you understood it.

I did indeed understand it -- I was just playing along with the original humorous intent.
(So as to make a serious point about the deficiencies of the CCS1 DCFC network, as compared to either Tesla SC or ICE.)

 

[Jonathan S.]

Most important, why are you doing this to yourself and your body?
Is it necessary? One stop in 650 miles, 10 hours of drive?

Zero stops for the picture below, Audi A6 Allroad, Richmond VA to Deerfield MA.
Traffic was horrendous on many stretches of I-91 (check out the slow avg speed), so started eating up all my buffers.
(Fortunately I had almost nothing to drink at breakfast that morning, just in case something like this happened.)
Really wanted to arrive at our daughter's summer daycamp arts festival on time.
And I did. Barely!

 

[Jonathan S.]

Well please don't drive near me as you enter your fourth hour of driving without stopping. You won't be safe. (and that's the judgement of the expert advisors to the Highway Code, not me!)

This is exactly why we Americans – or more precisely, in this context, ‘mericans – rebelled against the monarch King Louis XIV (or was it the XVI?): to exercise our FREEDOM to drive long interrupted distances, measured in MILES (i.e., not those commie kilometers that were foisted on me and my unsuspecting elementary school classmates before the next presidential administration stopped that plot cold in its cm-measured tracks) without some secretive death panel (“expert advisors to the Highway Code”?!?) tell me how long I should drive without stopping.

Some choice signage reflecting the regional political climate scattered about in the pictures for these recent Strava bike rides:

https://www.strava.com/activities/9702059840​

https://www.strava.com/activities/9706112251​

https://www.strava.com/activities/9732117209​

 

[Crazymind]

It does explain more why you American are obese ?

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