Switching from Tesla to Taycan at home

[Henke]

I’ve read a few of the threads on here about charging at home but still am not 100% clear.

I had an electrician install a NEMA 14-50 outlet from my existing home circuit breaker using the Tesla recommended spec. I use the standard Tesla cable plugged into this socket to charge my car.

When I switch to the Taycan, will I have all of the cables/parts needed to charge from this existing socket as well as a standard 110v outlet?

I’m considering purchasing an EVSE so that I can do proper scheduling and access this over wifi. The scheduling is more important than remote access. From reading the forums, it doesn’t seem straightforward (or even possible) to charge the car from a low SOC only between the hours when you get lower rates from your utility provider. I’ve watched the video and it suggests that it will automatically charge to a “minimum” of 25% before following the schedule.

What EVSE is most recommended/popular amongst Taycan owners? Other than the scheduling, it seems to be safer to use an EVSE? Although I wasn’t clear from the postings as they also suggest that the J1772 standard is safe enough on its own.

Thanks for any insight and sorry for the rambling post

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[Genau]

What EVSE is most recommended/popular amongst Taycan owners? Other than the scheduling, it seems to be safer to use an EVSE? Although I wasn’t clear from the postings as they also suggest that the J1772 standard is safe enough on its own.

@daveo4EV has written many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many extremely detailed and informative posts on every question you have.

 

[Henke]

@daveo4EV has written many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many extremely detailed and informative posts on every question you have.

I hate to be the guy who repeats questions and it is frustrating but it’s also frustrating being the new guy, spending a couple of hours searching and looking for answers and not finding them. Or finding them but you still have follow up questions.

 

[daveo4EV]

Scheduling is handled by the vehicle NOT the EVSE - some EVSE offer scheduling - but this tends to conflict with the vehicle and then you have two separate scheduling systems arguing with each other - so IMHO it’s best to use what ever support your EV provides with the incar software.

I recommend the ClipperCreek HCS-50 or HCS-60 or HCS-D50 (for your eventual mulit-EV household)

Porsche’s EV chargers for North America aren’t any good - you will save money, have fewer problems, and have a more reliable charging experience if you purchase a non-Porsche EVSE.

 

[daveo4EV]

EVSE are “safe” by definition - and yes with the porsche the best you can achieve is charing only to 25% and then the scheudle will “kick in” and wait for optimal time to charge based on you settings.

J-1772 is the SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) documented charging standard for North American EVSE’s - it is not one or the other it’s one the same - and the ONLY choice you have is to go with an EVSE.

 

[daveo4EV]

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...age…for-those-that-wish-to-over-do-it-….2343/

 

[daveo4EV]

you can also purchase a TeslaTap and continue to use your existing Tesla charger if you like.

 

[daveo4EV]

NEMA 14-50 and NEMA 6-50 plugs are almost the same electrically - if you have an existing NEMA 14-50 plug you can easily adapt or covert it to a NEMA 6-50 plug.

_ANY_ J-1772 NEMA 14-50 or 6-50 EVSE will charge your Taycan just fine.

the question for you is do you want a moble charger? or a fixed wall mounted charger - there is really no difference in terms of functionality, but one can be packed up and brought with you.

the Taycan comes with a mobile charger and a NEMA 14-50 supply cable and a NEMA 5-15 (household plug) supply cable. This EVSE that porsche provides will charge your Taycan just fine. For the US markets it comes with the standard J-1772 plug type.

 

[daveo4EV]

I personally would not worry about WiFi or fancy features like EVSE scheduling - as I said this tends to “argue” with the vehicle and you end up not getting charged overnight as the two separate scheduling systems can cancel each other out…

I tend to prefer simple/dumb EVSE’s - since all they are is a glorified “on/off” switch anyways - the most reliable EVSE’s are the simplest - let the car manage the EVSE and then if you have problems you can work with porsche to resolve them - if you include a “smart” EVSE in the equation the dealer will be even more clueless and they will blame your EVSE for all problems.

ClipperCreek makes high quality dumb simple EVSE’s - they ”just work” - it’s what you want in an EVSE.

 

[RCorsa]

I just installed two Gen 3 Tesla chargers in a 100a circuit so I can use max charge for my model 3P and Taycan 4s concurrently. I use the Tesla tap which works perfectly

 

[Henke]

NEMA 14-50 and NEMA 6-50 plugs are almost the same electrically - if you have an existing NEMA 14-50 plug you can easily adapt or covert it to a NEMA 6-50 plug.

_ANY_ J-1772 NEMA 14-50 or 6-50 EVSE will charge your Taycan just fine.

the question for you is do you want a mobile charger? or a fixed wall mounted charger - there is really no difference in terms of functionality, but one can be packed up and brought with you.

the Taycan comes with a mobile charger and a NEMA 14-50 supply cable and a NEMA 5-15 (household plug) supply cable. This EVSE that porsche provides will charge your Taycan just fine. For the US markets it comes with the standard J-1772 plug type.

Firstly, thank you for your responses. I know you have probably answered all of these questions before (although I couldn't quite find what I was looking for) so I appreciate you taking the time.

I think part of my confusion is with the term "EVSE". The Tesla comes with a cable which I will have to include when I sell/trade the car. This cable, I gather, is technically an EVSE, is that correct? And can I assume that the Porsche supplied EVSE is also essentially a cable with some extra tech built into it to meet the J1772 standard?

So I will be fine for home charging with my current NEMA 14-50 setup. For extended travel, based on what I have read in this forum, it would be good to have a mobile EVSE for the car and a Tesla tap 60 or 80A to cover a couple of options

Looking at Clipper Creek, this seems to be a good choice although it would be nice to have one where I could swop out the NEMA 14-50 for a standard NEMA 5-15 plug.

https://store.clippercreek.com/amazing-e-fast-32-14-50?search=AmazingE FAST Level 2, 32 Amp

 

[Jhenson29]

To be clear, the car comes with a mobile EVSE, the PMC+. It comes with a NEMA 14-50 and 5-15 supply cable and can have more ordered if needed. I have a 14-30 cable for mine. And it all fits nicely in the trunk cubby.

 

[daveo4EV]

yes your Tesla charger _IS_ an EVSE - it is also technically J-1772 but has the wrong physical plug - the Porsche Charger _IS_ a J-1772 EVSE and comes with NEMA 14-50 and NEMA 5-15 (household plug) - it is also mobile.

The porsche charger is 40 amp charger, and the clipper creek you found is 32 amps - so it will charge slightly slower on the road than the Porsche charger.

yes a TeslaTap is good for road trips so you can use Tesla destination chargers at various businesses that may/may-not have them.

the whole point of ClipperCreek is to have a non-mobile NEMA 14-50/6-50 charger- the Porsche charger that comes with the car _IS_ you 120 v NEMA 5-15 mobile charger for when you travel.

 

[Henke]

yes your Tesla charger _IS_ an EVSE - it is also technically J-1772 but has the wrong physical plug - the Porsche Charger _IS_ a J-1772 EVSE and comes with NEMA 14-50 and NEMA 5-15 (household plug) - it is also mobile.

The porsche charger is 40 amp charger, and the clipper creek you found is 32 amps - so it will charge slightly slower on the road than the Porsche charger.

yes a TeslaTap is good for road trips so you can use Tesla destination chargers at various businesses that may/may-not have them.

the whole point of ClipperCreek is to have a non-mobile NEMA 14-50/6-50 charger- the Porsche charger that comes with the car _IS_ you 120 v NEMA 5-15 mobile charger for when you travel.

Penny just dropped between my post and your reply. Take the Porsche EVSE with me, adding a Teslatap. Purchase a ClipperCreek for the home with a NEMA 14-50 plug to connect to the existing socket. I think I will purchase one which can be wall mounted to make my garage setup neater than it is currently. Thank you, finally got it!

 

[Miwa]

Make sure that any charger (EVSE) you order with your car has the NEMA 14-50 plug. It's a free option. Though if you have the choice, don't bother with any of the Porsche chargers.

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