HELP - GTS 2023 Vs Turbo S 2021

[skgemini]

I am a new member, although I have followed the forum for over a year.

I drive a Panamera 4 Sport Turismo Petrol and decided to move to a Taycan Sedan.

I have shortlisted two used Carmine Red (see below) almost at the same price, £105,000. Both have the options I need. Although I don't need the extra power of a Turbo S, the price is attractive.

I change cars every two years; hence depreciation is a factor.

Which one would you go for? (both are Porsche approved)

Red GTS: 2023 done 2857 miles - £105k

https://configurator.porsche.com/en...1.8LU.P49.6XV.FX9.0QG.0N5.6JA.UD1.48D.QK3.2ZP

Red Turbo S: 2021 done 17,901 mi -£101k. (has more extras than GTS)

https://configurator.porsche.com/en...7.3FG.4GP.VW1.44I.P49.6XV.1LX.2PJ.4F2.9JD.ARF

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[okkotonushi]

Go for GTS

 

[skgemini]

Go for GTS

Thank you. Do you mind expanding on why GTS?

 

[okkotonushi]

you’re not looking for more power and this is the newer one.

And if you buy this car, no leasing, and after a time you want to have more power you can tune it to the Turbo power

 

[whitex]

Turbo S has already take the lion share of depreciation. If you’re only keeping the car 2 years, it will cost you less to drive a car with more options and more power.

 

[Teufel Hund]

Turbo S has already take the lion share of depreciation. If you’re only keeping the car 2 years, it will cost you less to drive a car with more options and more power.

This ^
If keeping long term I’d vote GTS.

 

[P0R5HE_UK]

I've owned a turbo and a GTS. The turbo is essentially the same as the Turbo S except that the S can "launch" faster. In fact, the GTS has the same motors and batteries too, but it's detuned and retuned a little differently. I don't believe you need the massive launch. So, provided the GTS is a good enough spec for you, I'd go for that. The relative depreciation is very hard to tell. But, given the recent hit these cars have taken, you look you're doing very well with a 23 GTS at that price.

I looked over the spec of the GTS and it looks fantastic. Very close to what I would have specced. Key items such as ACC, rear steer, BOSE, pan roof as well as very nice looks with Carmine Red and matching GTS interior. At £105k versus a list of £127k, that looks you're doing well ...

 

[skgemini]

I've owned a turbo and a GTS. The turbo is essentially the same as the Turbo S except that the S can "launch" faster. In fact, the GTS has the same motors and batteries too, but it's detuned and retuned a little differently. I don't believe you need the massive launch. So, provided the GTS is a good enough spec for you, I'd go for that. The relative depreciation is very hard to tell. But, given the recent hit these cars have taken, you look you're doing very well with a 23 GTS at that price.

I looked over the spec of the GTS and it looks fantastic. Very close to what I would have specced. Key items such as ACC, rear steer, BOSE, pan roof as well as very nice looks with Carmine Red and matching GTS interior. At £105k versus a list of £127k, that looks you're doing well ...

Thanks

If I may ask, what was the main reason to move from Turbo to GTS?

Compared to Turbo S, the only important thing GTS is missing is PDCC. The Turbo also has an Exterior Design Carbon package and a passenger display which I can live without.

How much difference does a PDCC make?

 

[whitex]

How much difference does a PDCC make?

Personally I love it for spirited drives up windy highways. I remember few weeks ago I did a road trip and remember vividly noticing the difference in handling when I stopped for a bathroom brake an restarted the trip in Normal or Sport instead of Sport Plus mode. My first impression was "wow, why is the car leaning so much during turns?!?", then I remembered, must put Sport Plus back on. PDCC is one of the reasons I went with Taycan over other EV's - I wanted a car which handles very well, and Taycan is about as well as you can get in a 2 ton EV, perhaps a Nevera would be better, but out of my price range, plus no Turismo version.

 

[Caraholic]

Turbo S no question. You stated you don’t keep cars long so you will loose more money on the GtS. That and your getting more options and a higher trim for the same price.

 

[Wakesurfer]

I am a new member, although I have followed the forum for over a year.

I drive a Panamera 4 Sport Turismo Petrol and decided to move to a Taycan Sedan.

I have shortlisted two used Carmine Red (see below) almost at the same price, £105,000. Both have the options I need. Although I don't need the extra power of a Turbo S, the price is attractive.

I change cars every two years; hence depreciation is a factor.

Which one would you go for? (both are Porsche approved)

Red GTS: 2023 done 2857 miles - £105k

https://configurator.porsche.com/en...1.8LU.P49.6XV.FX9.0QG.0N5.6JA.UD1.48D.QK3.2ZP

Red Turbo S: 2021 done 17,901 mi -£101k. (has more extras than GTS)

https://configurator.porsche.com/en...7.3FG.4GP.VW1.44I.P49.6XV.1LX.2PJ.4F2.9JD.ARF

Normally, I would follow Bruce Anderson's advice (Excellence Magazine from years ago) and buy the latest model Porsche that I could. But, as others have mentioned...........if the Turbo is Porsche Certificate and comes with the Porsche Warranty, and, you are not keeping the car long term you may be better off financially with the Turbo. I do not believe that you will be able tell a great difference between the two with 'normal' street driving.

 

[RAHRCR]

Thanks

If I may ask, what was the main reason to move from Turbo to GTS?

Compared to Turbo S, the only important thing GTS is missing is PDCC. The Turbo also has an Exterior Design Carbon package and a passenger display which I can live without.

How much difference does a PDCC make?

PDCC is great. This may be my single favorite option on offer from Porsche. The best use case is for someone that is using one vehicle to range from very comfortable cruiser to sports car-like occasional use (and everything in between). It works with the rest of car‘s suspension/options to alter the ”personality” of the drive. I am amazed at how good Porsche is at enabling performance without a harsh drive (good without PDCC but next level with it).

The benefit is limited if the vast majority of use case for the vehicle is on one extreme or the other though.

 

[skgemini]

Thank you, everyone, for the helpful feedback.

Based on the poll result so far, a lot of GTS fans here but would have loved to see some comments on why they are recommending GTS.

 

[nischalr]

Personally I love it for spirited drives up windy highways. I remember few weeks ago I did a road trip and remember vividly noticing the difference in handling when I stopped for a bathroom brake an restarted the trip in Normal or Sport instead of Sport Plus mode. My first impression was "wow, why is the car leaning so much during turns?!?", then I remembered, must put Sport Plus back on. PDCC is one of the reasons I went with Taycan over other EV's - I wanted a car which handles very well, and Taycan is about as well as you can get in a 2 ton EV, perhaps a Nevera would be better, but out of my price range, plus no Turismo version.

This is interesting as I thought that PDCC was active in all driving modes, but tuned, as the suspension is, to have a different compliance or stiffness depending on the mode. Undoubtedly Sport Plus is the most aggressively tuned to reduce leaning, but on a car with PDCC in normal mode, it will lean less than a car without PDCC in normal mode.

Please correct me if I am wrong, I do have a car with PDCC and this is the impression I have.

 

[whitex]

This is interesting as I thought that PDCC was active in all driving modes, but tuned, as the suspension is, to have a different compliance or stiffness depending on the mode. Undoubtedly Sport Plus is the most aggressively tuned to reduce leaning, but on a car with PDCC in normal mode, it will lean less than a car without PDCC in normal mode.

Please correct me if I am wrong, I do have a car with PDCC and this is the impression I have.

You are right, it is active in other modes, just not to the same degree. There is a display showing PDCC in real time if you wan to see. Driving in even Sport after Sport Plus feels to me like something got loose in the suspension, lol. The feeling goes away after a while, but initial switch is very noticeable to me. It doesn’t mean I drive in Sport Plus all the time, usually Sport around town, Sport Plus on highways, just pointing out that there is a noticeable difference if I forget to switch to Sport Plus on windy highways.

It may be worth noting I am probably more sensitive to it than most people - for example when Tesla sneakily disabled suspension from lowering back in 2013 or 2014, without even telling their service centers, I noticed on my first drive something felt wrong (took further investigation to realize the suspension is not lowering). That was after one Model S drove over a hitch and caught on fire some time later (nobody got hurt, the driver had plenty of warning to get out).

I like precise and tight handling. Not everyone does. My wife and I both drove Model S’es for many years, all with air suspension but my last one had the Sport Plus version. She disliked driving it due to that.

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