100% charge showing 175 mile range

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How fast does the range refresh based on the latest/current driving habits/style?
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Was about 10 degrees outside, didn't check the battery. I've never seen the preheat light on before I don't know what it's for. I'm guessing warming the cabin up before getting in it?

Wow!
Did you open the doors and leave it open for a few hours then?
And you must also have a hell of a long driveway?

Seriously what was the temperature and the battery temp then. Did you have the preheat running before unplugging?

That does certainly not sound normal to me!
 

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Are there any "real" customer-based statistics regarding the average consumption for the various Taycan models with PB and PB+?
Not that I'm aware of. Mine, a PB with 21 inch wheel has been 2.6mi/KwH over 3846 miles.
 

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180-190 miles in cold weather is NORMAL and what you will get. I charges to 100% yesterday and it showed 199 mile range "estimate". I gained a few miles as weather is a bit warmer today. I charged to 85% the other day and got a REAL 165 miles. And at 90% I got a REAL 171 miles (I do drive at about 85-100 mph on highway). However, I have been experimenting and driving "easy" to study range and it's still gonna be in the 180-200 range at 100%.....in eco, brightness turned down on instruments, Innodrive as much as possible, range mode in town....

In 10-20 degree (farenheit) weather, this car will be 150 miles range.

I am running about 42-45KW per 100 miles. Thats what we need to be looking at.
 

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180-190 miles in cold weather is NORMAL and what you will get. I charges to 100% yesterday and it showed 199 mile range "estimate". I gained a few miles as weather is a bit warmer today. I charged to 85% the other day and got a REAL 165 miles. And at 90% I got a REAL 171 miles (I do drive at about 85-100 mph on highway). However, I have been experimenting and driving "easy" to study range and it's still gonna be in the 180-200 range at 100%.....in eco, brightness turned down on instruments, Innodrive as much as possible, range mode in town....

In 10-20 degree (farenheit) weather, this car will be 150 miles range.

I am running about 42-45KW per 100 miles. Thats what we need to be looking at.
I may be mistaken, but I assume andyd was at 10 degrees C, which is 50F. 152 at 50F seems pretty low, let alone 92 miles.
 


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Yep. Celcius.

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I may be mistaken, but I assume andyd was at 10 degrees C, which is 50F. 152 at 50F seems pretty low, let alone 92 miles.
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I may be mistaken, but I assume andyd was at 10 degrees C, which is 50F. 152 at 50F seems pretty low, let alone 92 miles.
Well you're right, it does seem pretty low to me too!
The figures @John89 posted are what I have become to realize will be the real world range in a ''sub artic'' climate, we have to accept it I'm afraid
 

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All for science! Looking forward to your report...

All right everyone, so I did the experiment in the name of science and dressed up with multiple extra layers, gloves and tried to turn off the A/C but it would get too foggy after a few minutes so I set the A/C to Eco mode at the 18C (64F) , no massage, no heated seat/steering.
here are the numbers.....(drum rolls)

Outside temp: -5C (23F)

First leg of the trip : 99.9km (62 miles)
Battery temp : 18C (64F) the car slept in the garage
SoC: 85% to 53%
avg speed : 98kmh (61mph)
Cons: 28.4kwh/100km (45.5kwh/100mi)

Second leg of the trip: 99km (62 miles)
Battery temp: 9 C (48F) the car was parked outside all day
SoC 53%-21%
Avg speed: 94kmh (59 mph)
Cons: 26.0 kwh/100km (42kwh/100mi)

Total commute trip: 199km (124 mi)
Avg speed: 96kmh (60 mph)
Cons: 27.2 kwh/100km (44kwh/100mi)

Therefore, my conclusion is although there is an energy-saving benefit in lowering heating confort, the main things that influence the range are definitely battery temp (and of course the related outside temp) AND speed. Clearly I see a significant difference at 81-84mph (130-135kmh) mark on the average consumption.
So I guess I won't be driving this winter in a hawaiian short-sleeve shirt, but neither in a ski-doo suit!

Ps. here are the numbers I previously posted on the same trip with same outside temp but with confortable heating of 22,5C (72F):

4S with big 93,4Kwh battery ; 6900 km so far (4,300 miles)
Commute of 200km (125 miles) total (return) twice a week plus little city trips during the rest of the week.
Profile set to 85%.
Today outside temp 5,0C (40F), pretty heavy rain, average speed of 110kmh (70mph) for the whole trip so that means highway strech at 130-140kmh (80-90mph) and city driving at 50-60kmh (30-40mph). Winter aero kit 20''.
Started at 85% finished at 15% , heated steering wheel, and seat and some massage and cabin heat at 22,5C (72F) Normal mode selected.
Total trip 201 km (126 miles)
 


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I have a red 4s with the same battery and live in a cold climate at 4500’ to 8000, altitude. Winter Pirelli P Zero Elect 20”.
While I do not commute as many miles as you I consistently see a range of 287 to 291 miles at 85% from -5 to 0 C.

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I have a red 4s with the same battery and live in a cold climate at 4500’ to 8000, altitude. Winter Pirelli P Zero Elect 20”.
While I do not commute as many miles as you I consistently see a range of 287 to 291 miles at 85% from -5 to 0 C.

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I want your battery pack lol
 

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There are so many problems with this thread that it's difficult for me to weigh in. But here goes.

1st) If you're using the mileage figure the car shows you, stop. It's not an accurate way to gauge anything.

2nd) My 4S on 20" wheels gets around 37/38 kWh/100 mi in 30-40 degree weather at highway speeds, so easily 215 miles range with very sporty driving, and I don't believe that these 170ish mile range figures can be accurate unless you're talking single digit or lower F.

What I THINK is leading people to believe such numbers is a combination of the range guess o meter AND pulling kWh/100 numbers at times of low efficiency. Until you have 30 or 40 miles of continuous driving the kWh/100 numbers will be MUCH higher than they'll average out to over the 100% battery.

This means if you're taking the car on a 200 mile trip it may show as high as the 50s for kWh/100 mi for a while but over a 200 mile trip might average out as low as 36 or 37 kWh/100.

For example.. I do a 170 mile round trip to a ski resort 3x a week. Goes from 40s to 20s and the car shows me 175 mile range when I leave. Going there (and up the mountain) I get around 45 kWh/100 mi over 85 miles. On the way back (and down the mountain) I get around 27 kWh/100mi over 85 miles. In total the 170 mile trip uses between 71-74% of my battery every time. This is with speedo locked 74 mph most of the trip and averaging about 10 total passes reaching 90mph.

The car frontloads a large amount of energy to get going before becoming highly efficient.

Please note that the battery & systems stay "primed" for a while after turning off the car, so a stop here or there will not drastically reduce range whereas an overnight stop will.

So there are two different "range" numbers. There is the mileage you can daily driver the Taycan until needing to charge (ie.. frequent stops, car sitting for long periods, generally inefficient driving) and there is the distance you can go on one trip before charging. Those numbers are VERY different. In 30/40 degree F weather I get 150-160ish miles of daily driving but 215+ miles of trip range.

@Tonytones Your kWh/100 and battery % numbers are MUCH less efficient than anything I've experienced in similar scenarios. I'm not sure what could be causing that. My ski trip is in worse weather, with significant elevation gain & my very aggressive driving yet I'm getting 2.29 miles per % at WORST vs your 1.8ish. I also don't hyper mile at all. Wheel & seat heating on, heat on whatever is comfortable, etc..
 
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All right everyone, so I did the experiment in the name of science and dressed up with multiple extra layers, gloves and tried to turn off the A/C but it would get too foggy after a few minutes so I set the A/C to Eco mode at the 18C (64F) , no massage, no heated seat/steering.
Thanks for sacrificing for this experiment and sharing the results! But OMG driving with A/C off means sitting for hours in an almost hermetically-sealed chamber breathing air with increasing CO2, sweat, biological and material outgassing, etc. Not to be too OCD, but lack of air exchange in a car is like swimming in the same pool as a dozen toddlers. Hopefully Eco mode provided some air exchange. From a technical perspective, given that the cabin and battery thermal management systems are interdependent, it seems likely that your lack of cabin heating helped keep the battery warm, which improved range and charging speed. Not what I dream about when I think of Porsche motoring, but good to know.
 

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There are so many problems with this thread that it's difficult for me to weigh in. But here goes.

1st) If you're using the mileage figure the car shows you, stop. It's not an accurate way to gauge anything.

2nd) My 4S on 20" wheels gets around 37/38 kWh/100 mi in 30-40 degree weather at highway speeds, so easily 215 miles range with very sporty driving, and I don't believe that these 170ish mile range figures can be accurate unless you're talking single digit or lower F.

What I THINK is leading people to believe such numbers is a combination of the range guess o meter AND pulling kWh/100 numbers at times of low efficiency. Until you have 30 or 40 miles of continuous driving the kWh/100 numbers will be MUCH higher than they'll average out to over the 100% battery.

This means if you're taking the car on a 200 mile trip it

@Tonytones Your kWh/100 and battery % numbers are MUCH less efficient than anything I've experienced in similar scenarios. I'm not sure what could be causing that. My ski trip is in worse weather, with significant elevation gain & my very aggressive driving yet I'm getting 2.29 miles per % at WORST vs your 1.8ish. I also don't hyper mile at all. Wheel & seat heating on, heat on whatever is comfortable, etc..
Exactly, that's why I posted this... and I see that I'm not the only one in this forum (mainly people from UK so far are seemingly having similar numbers) with apparently pretty high consumption. And I forgot to mention that in this specific commute I do twice a week, there is less than 1000feet of elevation (300M)...
Will keep updating my data over the course of the winter.
 

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I have a red 4s with the same battery and live in a cold climate at 4500’ to 8000, altitude. Winter Pirelli P Zero Elect 20”.
While I do not commute as many miles as you I consistently see a range of 287 to 291 miles at 85% from -5 to 0 C.
Wow, so you're seeing around 335 miles on 100%. That must mean you're achieving 25kWh/100mi... you must be the president/founder of the hypermiling fan club! That is insane economy.
 

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Turbo: After heating the battery to 85 deg. F (sport plus drive mode), trying to see the best I could get by really restraining my itchy right foot I was able to get 29.4 kWh/100m in normal drive mode, low height. I don't think with my setup I would be able to get less, unless there was significant decrease in elevation over the trip, and it's certainly no fun driving intentionally to get that kind of range. IIRC, range mode disengages the rear motor so that might further reduce consumption - I did not try that.
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