EU/UK: Ongoing navigation issues

[Leccy61]

Hey @Gru is it that strange? I have done this as a workaround myself, just keep the charge planner switched off and all is good, it is no longer getting overwhelmed by the stream of data about all the chargers.

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[F1Ruaraidh]

I want to share a strange experience on a round trip I just did: about 350km each way, requiring one charging stop.

I decided not to use the charging planner, to avoid NAV crashes. It was off both ways, I checked that several times...

Indeed, NAV did not crash a single time on both trips. But the strange thing is that:

- when adding manually the charging stops as a waypoint (since charging planner is off), NAV interprets them as charging stops

- and it does precondition the battery

Both times, heater started as "normal" and battery temp. was right on for the stop. With an average of more than 180kWh from 8 to 82%

I'll soon do a longer trip (3 charging stops expected) and check if can get the same to happen...

Nice!! Mine crashes every ten minutes at the moment with planner on.

This is a great workaround.

Might have to do the ski trip like this but it is going into Porsche again to look at it but if it's a software thing, I can't see the dealer fixing it...

 

[Gru]

Hey @Gru is it that strange? I have done this as a workaround myself, just keep the charge planner switched off and all is good, it is no longer getting overwhelmed by the stream of data about all the chargers.

well, I was expecting the preconditioning not to start since the stop added wasn't specified as a charging stop

 

[Leccy61]

That’s the thing though, it does know it’s a charger you’re navigating to even if you didn’t select it using the planner.

 

[RodeoDrive]

Indeed, NAV did not crash a single time on both trips. But the strange thing is that:

- when adding manually the charging stops as a waypoint (since charging planner is off), NAV interprets them as charging stops - and it does precondition the battery

This needs to be confirmed by multiple people. But I mean if this really works consistently, you have just singlehandedly found the first proper workaround for a problem that Porsche just ignores - fixing this in 6mo+ effectively means ignoring it in this day and age.

If I read this correctly, one can plan the route in the Porsche app or PCM, then disable the charge planner - but still take advantage of preconditioning and also seing what charge one will have when reaching those chargers.

The J1.1 relies on charge planning - Porsche not fixing it in a timely fashion is much like a legacy manufacturer nor fixing a model with engines breaking often. Will it get you home? Sure, it might. Ocasionally it will leave you stranded on the highway shoulder, endangering you and you family.

 

[chun]

For me the navigation still crashes, eventually, even if I have only one charger on the route - without charge planner.

But it does precondition, yes. That’s how I get the problem of battery reaching 60+ degrees… it crashes while preconditioning and then it never stops

Only way for it not to crash is to not have any charger on the route…. And even then, if it’s a multiple stops route, it may crash all the same even without chargers

I do however drive 200-300km+ daily almost

 

[okkotonushi]

The solution is: plan and navigate only to 1! destination and that is the next charging point even if you plan a long route. If you reached it and have your 20 minutes pause take the next charging destination as a route and so on and so forth till you reached the finish line. That’s working for me since 2 years

 

[okkotonushi]

And i have to say I’m not paying for porsche connect, perhaps that is part of the solution as well

 

[Scandinavian]

@Gru , very interesting observation, thanks for sharing. I must try that out on our next trip. I have relied in ABRP and Google maps at the moment and drive most of the time in Sport + to get a bit of heat in the battery, but nowhere enough.

On another note, I have seen you have published several screen shots with some recorded stats, how do you do that?? What app are you using for this please?

 

[Gru]

On another note, I have seen you have published several screen shots with some recorded stats, how do you do that?? What app are you using for this please?

Those screenshots (if you refer for instance to those on the previous message) are from Carscanner, from the recorded data stored on the phone.

I also sometimes export the data from Carscanner to Excel and plot some graphs there. But rarely .

 

[YJZ]

This seems to have been a promising development. Can you simply plan a route including charging stops, turn off the charge planner but the route stays planned (and doesn’t crash)?

I can’t test right now as my car is enjoying its fourth visit to Porsche since purchase in November.

 

[Jasper4S]

Will this actually improve a trip planned in the app and sent to the car? Charging planner will not replan. We kind of wanted this all along.

 

[Gru]

This seems to have been a promising development. Can you simply plan a route including charging stops, turn off the charge planner but the route stays planned (and doesn’t crash)?

I have a trip planned in 2 weeks with 3 stops and do like you said. But you don't need the charge planner at all it seems, at least if you plan to stop once. I just tested it now.

1/ charge planner is off and will stay off for the whole procedure

2/ I set a destination. NAV tells me I will reach it with -17% left. That's normal since the charge planner is off.

3/ I look for a rest area where (I know) there is a charger. NAV gives me the possibility to chose the 300kW charger, that I introduce as a stop. I do not have the possibility to set it as a charging stop since charge planner is off

4/ NAV recognizes it, and will suggest to charge the battery to 90% (why 90% ? no clue ....) and will as well precondition the battery as I noticed yesterday.

all this with the charge planner still off.

 

[Jasper4S]

So, the charging planner only handles the planning of getting us to available HPC chargers (and does some re-routing when another one will let me reach the destination faster)? It doesn’t take care of the charging time and preconditioning. This is new information, which is great. Thanks for sharing, @Gru

 

[Sace]

Well in that case I can switch off charge planner and never use it again I always plan my stops using ABRP as it allows me to filter on number of stalls, facilities and vendor. And then type each stop in manually. I have not a single time relied on the charge planner actually doing any work.

Great catch, will try it next time!

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