Help! Calling ex Tesla Model 3 owners

[Helixer]

the tesla is a fine car for the average person, the porsche is a great car for a driving enthusiast.
most people cannot get a porsche so they get a model 3.
think of it like gassers, not too many can afford a 911 but many can get a camry and those camry people who are moving to EVs are quite impressed with the model 3 and it's price point.

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[Helixer]

I get a kick out of some Porsche owners who feel an obligation to denigrate all other cars to bootstrap their decision to spend the dough on the Porsche.

As an owner of 7 Porsches over the years, and a total of over 20 Mercedes and BMW's, 2 Aston Martins, and miscellaneous other fine automobiles, I for one am not one who bought a Model 3 Performance as an economic default. The car is simply better for my purposes than the vaunted BMW M3, for example, which is often mentioned as a practical alternative to the 911.

As an older retiree, my driving consists of days where I either drive to the golf course, run errands, or go to the gym. The fact is, I prefer taking the Model 3 to Costco than my Porsche. However, as I still appreciate spirited driving, the Model 3 still scratches that itch.

When Taycan gets its act together, maybe the wife gets one. In the interim, I park the Tesla anywhere, appreciate the hauling capacity, and know that I can kick a 4S' ass. One other thing, the Model 3 is great hand-me-down material for another family member...more so than a Taycan.

Different horses for different courses.

 

[Bognar67]

I get a kick out of some Porsche owners who feel an obligation to denigrate all other cars to bootstrap their decision to spend the dough on the Porsche.

As an owner of 7 Porsches over the years, and a total of over 20 Mercedes and BMW's, 2 Aston Martins, and miscellaneous other fine automobiles, I for one am not one who bought a Model 3 Performance as an economic default. The car is simply better for my purposes than the vaunted BMW M3, for example, which is often mentioned as a practical alternative to the 911.

As an older retiree, my driving consists of days where I either drive to the golf course, run errands, or go to the gym. The fact is, I prefer taking the Model 3 to Costco than my Porsche. However, as I still appreciate spirited driving, the Model 3 still scratches that itch.

When Taycan gets its act together, maybe the wife gets one. In the interim, I park the Tesla anywhere, appreciate the hauling capacity, and know that I can kick a 4S' ass. One other thing, the Model 3 is great hand-me-down material for another family member...more so than a Taycan.

Different horses for different courses.

Exactly. Thanks to put into shape these thoughts. It is so valid.

 

[Bognar67]

the tesla is a fine car for the average person, the porsche is a great car for a driving enthusiast.
most people cannot get a porsche so they get a model 3.
think of it like gassers, not too many can afford a 911 but many can get a camry and those camry people who are moving to EVs are quite impressed with the model 3 and it's price point.

I had Tesla (M3P) next to a Porsche 911 (and 2 BMWs) same time. Now waiting for a Taycan GTS. Can you please tell me who am I? An average person, or a driving enthusiast. Categorizing is a dangerous thing. Maybe on an Aston Martin/Ferrari/Lamborghini forum you would be stigmatized as an average person with your Porsche.

 

[Rainforest]

I've owned every Tesla and have driven the 4S for a day so far. So my opinion is no exhaustive whatsoever. But the main difference to me between Tesla and the 4S is the ride quality. There is literally no comparison, and ride quality is my biggest complaint with all Tesla's. The air suspension on my 2016 Model X was crap, though it may be better today. The 4S feels so much heavier and planted than any Tesla, and it absorbs the bumps so much better despite the fact that it is geared towards sportiness.

The other major difference is build quality and interior feel. I'm actually quite happy with the minimalist interiors of Tesla's, but the Porsche feels far more luxurious, especially at night due to the screens and ambient lighting. The paint and panel gaps were perfect on the Porsche, which is much more than can be said for Tesla.

Having said that, I find the tech and menus in the Porsche very confusing. Maybe I'm just not used to it yet. I also miss one pedal driving.

What's more amazing is that we are even comparing the two brands. With a Tesla, you actually get so much value and many benefits that Porsche does not offer at a far lower price point.

 

[PorscheCH]

I would like to offer a slightly different perspective.

Yours seems to me to be a well-rounded collection.

I personally don't use any categories or stereotypes for a variety of reasons. E.g. in this area there are an awful lot of Porsches per population and they are not considered very special. Even at the supermarket and golf course there are plenty of them. I know people with 911s that I wouldn't call "driving enthusiasts" (in my definition: they don't really know the product, technical features, options, racing legacy etc.).

Others, like the Ring veteran in the video above, are definitely "driving enthusiasts" (they also do it for work, Ring "Taxi" etc). He likes Porsches and BMW, of course. And he also bought himself a Model 3.

For me there is an issue of brand positioning and product narrative.
What I personally don't like about Tesla (and why I'll never buy one) is my perception of wanting to consider themselves top of the class and using bragging rights as a communication strategy.

The claims, in 2016 I think, that they had definitively solved the issue of autonomous driving (haha). I don't understand, and can't appreciate, why produce the plaid - aesthetically based on a model known for years - with 1000 hp without worrying about brakes, claiming 320 km/h and then limiting the real speed because... imagine if this was done by Ferrari, wouldn't you laugh? Doing 7:30 at the Ring with a fantastic driver and bragging about the best EV time, which is the same as good 5 year old petrol sedans with 50% of the power. Or hammering on stage a prototype pickup truck (which isn't even in production yet) calling it indestructible, with known results. And so on with tons of other examples.

The other negative aspects are obvious (and for me they would still be a deal breaker even without the above): paint quality, finish, suspension, brakes. Why can't I use Carplay or A.Auto? What is the reason? But I understand that for many these above are secondary and consider instead the positives (e.g. straight line performance, roominess, range, etc.).

I had Tesla (M3P) next to a Porsche 911 (and 2 BMWs) same time. Now waiting for a Taycan GTS. Can you please tell me who am I? An average person, or a driving enthusiast. Categorizing is a dangerous thing. Maybe on an Aston Martin/Ferrari/Lamborghini forum you would be stigmatized as an average person with your Porsche.

 

[svp6]

Having said that, I find the tech and menus in the Porsche very confusing. Maybe I'm just not used to it yet. I also miss one pedal driving.

The tech does not get better after you get used with it, that is the area where Tesla is clearly ahead. One pedal driving - you may actually change your mind after a while. I find it now very annoying whenever I pick my wife's model 3. Before the Taycan I thought it was great...

 

[riburn3]

The tech does not get better after you get used with it, that is the area where Tesla is clearly ahead. One pedal driving - you may actually change your mind after a while. I find it now very annoying whenever I pick my wife's model 3. Before the Taycan I thought it was great...

Likewise. I missed it so much at first, but now hate it when I hop in our 3.

 

[Rainforest]

The tech does not get better after you get used with it, that is the area where Tesla is clearly ahead. One pedal driving - you may actually change your mind after a while. I find it now very annoying whenever I pick my wife's model 3. Before the Taycan I thought it was great...

Again, I'm new to the Taycan, but with one pedal driving, it's one less thing for your mind to focus on. Now with the Taycan, I need to keep my foot much more active, managing the accelerator and brake.

 

[TaycanBoss]

One pedal driving is both faster and more efficient then using the traditional ICE form of breaking and accelerating. One pedal driving also saves your pads and discs. The only drawback i can see to one pedal driving is less driver engagement but that is subjective as i find the ability to drive faster with one pedal driving more fun

 

[Bognar67]

One pedal driving is both faster and more efficient then using the traditional ICE form of breaking and accelerating. One pedal driving also saves your pads and discs. The only drawback i can see to one pedal driving is less driver engagement but that is subjective as i find the ability to drive faster with one pedal driving more fun

Taycan is not using the 'traditional ICE form of braking' so far.
It is not using the break pads/disks up to 0,4g deceleration forces. When you are braking below these forces you are 'pedaling' the regen system (up to 260kW), doing similar energy saving in this phase than Tesla's one pedal driving. Porsche uses this complicated and expensive way offering same pedal feeling always as a real sports car. Additionally Taycan uses roll out, in this perspective their way is more energy saver. One pedal driving is just a (chosen) way to use regen braking with the accelerator pedal. Porsche uses the break pedal for this. No more or less energy saving, only different ways for same result. The difficulty of the Taycan's way is making seamless the transition between regen and mechanical braking. Porsche solved it on a very high level.
Tesla is offering always different regen braking (equal to pedal feeling) especially with higher charged battery. You can fell significantly decreased regen barking above of SOC 90% for example, or in colder weather conditions, that is not good for consistency. Porsche is eliminated these things that is equal to eliminate one pedal driving, that is the price. But this price is paying back a lot on driving consistency/feel.

 

[jontybutts]

One pedal driving is both faster and more efficient then using the traditional ICE form of breaking and accelerating. One pedal driving also saves your pads and discs. The only drawback i can see to one pedal driving is less driver engagement but that is subjective as i find the ability to drive faster with one pedal driving more fun

I thought exactly the same until my Taycan turned up, then I realised I was completely wrong. For driving engagement the Porsche implementation is far superior, and driving fun is why you buy a Porsche, not a Tesla, along with the quality, looks, exclusivity……..

 

[gnop1950]

One pedal driving is both faster and more efficient then using the traditional ICE form of breaking and accelerating. One pedal driving also saves your pads and discs. The only drawback i can see to one pedal driving is less driver engagement but that is subjective as i find the ability to drive faster with one pedal driving more fun

I'm not sure one-pedal driving saves your brakes all that much compared to the Taycan. My understanding is that regen is used, in addition to the brakes, when using the brake pedal in a Taycan.

 

[svp6]

Again, I'm new to the Taycan, but with one pedal driving, it's one less thing for your mind to focus on. Now with the Taycan, I need to keep my foot much more active, managing the accelerator and brake.

It is actually one more thing to focus on: to coast you have to keep your foot on the "gas" pedal at a level that precisely matches the speed you want to coast at. This feels awkward. With the Porsche you just rest your foot comfortably on the floor, hit the "brakes" whenever you want to slow down.

One pedal driving is both faster and more efficient then using the traditional ICE form of breaking and accelerating. One pedal driving also saves your pads and discs. The only drawback i can see to one pedal driving is less driver engagement but that is subjective as i find the ability to drive faster with one pedal driving more fun

Braking is faster to the point that it becomes annoying. As soon as you lift your foot you begin to brake - whether you intended that or not. As explained very nicely by @Bognar67 efficiency is similar to Tesla regeneration. My Taycan is of similar size and weight to my previous P85D. Wh/mi across a broad spectrum is virtually identical; overall range is actually better in the Taycan because of the larger battery. So the "one pedal driving" and the "coasting" get you to the same result in terms of driving efficiency / regeneration. If anything, the Taycan is at a disadvantage in my winter testing - I refused to pay an arm and a kidney for the Porsche winter set and use aftermarket wheels that are aerodynamically inefficient (3-5% penalty).

 

[artdept]

• One pedal driving

once you get to 1 pedal driving its hard to go to anmthoer car, and though the taycan mimics this in sport + mode its not the same. the braking is not nearly what it should be on the taycan. It may be interesting to point out that the model 3 we have has 1 pedal driving as a user set option. The model Y 7 seater, 1 pedal driving is default and you cannot chage it. tesla took away that option. i like how taycan still has it as a drive mode option, just wished the aggressiveness was user controllable.

• 0-60 3.1s without needing launch control

the taycan is sickly quick , you will not have a problem overtaking any cars on the road and it will get you out of those slow lanes and will save you from unsafe driving issues caused by people who have trouble driving with the flow of traffic.

• Tesla Auto pilot

the taycan version is good but not as good as good as the tesla. Meaning the tesla makes you feel ike it knows what its doing and the taycan is trying to figure out this new world.

• Integrated dash cam and sentry mode

really wish the taycan had this and a big screen like the tesla

• Supercharger network

the Electrify america network is pretty good. and we are now at the point where Electrify america customers have advantage over the tesla super charger network. what i mean is . My last few trips from San francisco bay area to central california / Coalinga california. essentially where the super charger netwok started Seemed like tesla user got the short end of the stick
Even during non holiday days the super charger sites ( 18+ stalls) were fully booked with a line 4-5 cars deep. While the elctrify america sites with 2 stalla were open. the EA stalls are usually close to the teslas sites. and the taycan gets alot of looks driving up to a charge. usually the dudes know what just drove up and just look away, but their wives cannot stop looking. Ok enoght about me, back the the charger network... its pretty good and d growing, and it will only get better now what brandon I mean Biden has promissed to spend alot of money on electricfication as long as tesla doe not benefit. SMH

• Lack of regular servicing requirements

ive had my car o for a year , my first scheduled maintanence is next july. though I have had it in the shop twice. once for 12 volt battery issue which took 6 weeks ( im now thniking they may have swapped the enitre battery pack) . the other time was a software update .. yes No OTA updates , yet. luckily that was just a weekend fix in which the dealer gave me a loaner.
if this was tesla they would of given me uber credits. yeah like thats what i want.

• Tesla app

tesla app is the best i have seen so far, over porche and chevrolet . eazy, intuative for non techies and gets the job done.. the only thing the tesal and all apps need is for you to be able to watch sentry videos on the app. im sure thats comming though

• Understated looks

the taycan makes people heads turn anywhere you drive it. as it should , its designed real nice.

• Considerably cheaper

yeah for the price i paid for the taycan 4s ( not base rear wheel) I could of bought 3 model 3s
but hey i already had a model 3. Personally if i had a model 3 performance and was considering a base taycan with no options i would probally stick with the model 3 performace and trick it out . After options My taycan cost 40% more then the base 4s. buts thats how porsche does it. IF you are considering a base, at the very least you need to consider the upgraded 21 wheels.

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