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Road & Track review. Talk about living under a rock for the last 6 months - why don't some journalists do their homework?

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New Road and Track review here. Some positives (high quality, good impression on the track), but overall the tone is critical on the Taycan Turbo S being "disappointingly inefficient" with the range being "178 miles less than the model S". This is very irritating - as it perpetuates the concept that model S and Taycan range in real world highway drive are exactly the same as EPA.

Having driven 3 different Tesla's so far, I could hit the rated range on the highway only under ideal conditions - outside temp around 80F, driving at ~75 mph. I was never able to exceed the rated range (no, I do not hypermile a Tesla). Most of the time highway driving means a 15-40% range cut, depending on outside temps. So for Tesla, I find the EPA range overly optimistic.

For the Taycan, there are multiple threads showing that the car actually exceeds the EPA range by a large margin on highway driving. Most infuriatingly, Car and Driver published a head-to-head comparison of the Taycan Turbo S and Model S performance on a 100 mile run (continuous driving at 75 mph on a 6.5 mile oval track) - and extrapolated that the real range advantage of the Model S was more like 10 miles.....

So why did not our trusted author read at least car magazine publications before writing absurd things up like "Tesla laughing this round—at the Porsche drivers walking 178 miles home"? For me, I guess I will have to walk - but perhaps only 10 miles in real world. It is worth it though given how beautiful the car is and how well it is made.

At the end of the day, this will definitely make it on may EV and petrolhead sites, discouraging people on even considering a Taycan. How annoying.
 
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I completely agree with you @svp6, I had read this article yesterday but was so disappointed in it only quoting EPA and the poorest of range tests probably with performance tests intermixed. I couldn't bring myself to post it, but I am glad you did.

I only trust people who care about the car would not base a decision on one article from one trade rag. Jason is pretty obviously with some bias, based on the other articles I checked from him.
 
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I completely agree with you @svp6, I had read this article yesterday but was so disappointed in it only quoting EPA and the poorest of range tests probably with performance tests intermixed. I couldn't bring myself to post it, but I am glad you did.

I only trust people who care about the car would not base a decision on one article from one trade rag. Jason is pretty obviously with some bias, based on the other articles I checked from him.
Equally upsetting is the fact that there is no link for comments - or at least I could not find one. This is a great way of never being criticized for what you write..... Luckily many other automotive outlets show the discrepancy between EPA and highway range.
 

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Equally upsetting is the fact that there is no link for comments - or at least I could not find one. This is a great way of never being criticized for what you write..... Luckily many other automotive outlets show the discrepancy between EPA and highway range.
Yes I was trying to add comments also. Very questionable practice from Road and Track, throw what ever on the wall and don't let people comment.

I find the closing comment the most telling on the authors understanding of Porsche and it's clientele.
Much of the Taycan is disappointingly inefficient: The car is heavier than we’d expect, it offers far less cabin and cargo space than its exterior size suggests, and it has an unnecessarily complex powertrain. Porsche would likely have been better off paying attention to the type of performance its customers will actually use.
Just to point out the weight thing that so many who want to complain about the car bring up. It weighs 5121lb vs a Tesla P100D at 4941lb so it's 3.5% heavier. Yes it has a dual speed transmission and maybe some sound insulation.
 
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I think the biggest challenge with this review is they are coming from the perspective of “an EV by Porsche” instead of ”a Porsche, with electric motors”.

the difference is in weighting the strengths and weaknesses of the car. Range and price seem to be overwhelming driving dynamics and experience.

but if range and price are important to you then ... the taycan is not for you. The pricing is on par with the Panamera line and definitely on the high side. This is also introducing the high end of the line first. There will undoubtedly be an $80K model eventually just like the low end Panamera.

so R&T isn’t wrong that this is a tough sell cross shopping with a Tesla for value.

but they completely miss the point that Porsche is really setting this up to cross shop against the Panamera, and here the taycan is much more appealing. They also miss the catch 22 Porsche faced with the taycan. If it was cheaper and with more range as well as lighter but didn’t handle like a Porsche and over heated on the track like Tesla then they’d be completely fucked. Journalists would crap all over that product and it’d set back EV development years.

Porsche hit the target they had to hit, even though it’s not what R&T wants.
 

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New Road and Track review here. Some positives (high quality, good impression on the track), but overall the tone is critical on the Taycan Turbo S being "disappointingly inefficient" with the range being "178 miles less than the model S". This is very irritating - as it perpetuates the concept that model S and Taycan range in real world highway drive are exactly the same as EPA.

Having driven 3 different Tesla's so far, I could hit the rated range on the highway only under ideal conditions - outside temp around 80F, driving at ~75 mph. I was never able to exceed the rated range (no, I do not hypermile a Tesla). Most of the time highway driving means a 15-40% range cut, depending on outside temps. So for Tesla, I find the EPA range overly optimistic.

For the Taycan, there are multiple threads showing that the car actually exceeds the EPA range by a large margin on highway driving. Most infuriatingly, Car and Driver published a head-to-head comparison of the Taycan Turbo S and Model S performance on a 100 mile run (continuous driving at 75 mph on a 6.5 mile oval track) - and extrapolated that the real range advantage of the Model S was more like 10 miles.....

So why did not our trusted author read at least car magazine publications before writing absurd things up like "Tesla laughing this round—at the Porsche drivers walking 178 miles home"? For me, I guess I will have to walk - but perhaps only 10 miles in real world. It is worth it though given how beautiful the car is and how well it is made.

At the end of the day, this will definitely make it on may EV and petrolhead sites, discouraging people on even considering a Taycan. How annoying.
Ignore such people! The Youtuber AutobahnSpecialist did another run with a Turbo S, 450 km range easy. Consumption is really good, very efficient car.
 

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An excellent example of "Bloggers" vs "Journalists". One just reads a web post, and copies text and pictures. The other has a story to tell, does research, checks facts, and doesn't publish Click-Bait.
 

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so R&T isn’t wrong that this is a tough sell cross shopping with a Tesla for value.
if they want to discuss EV value cars, then the right comparison is the Chevy Bolt. Those were going out the door with a 3 year lease less than $5k/year. Tesla can't compete with value on that.
 

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I saw this for the first time yesterday and was surprised at the Tesla vs Taycan comparison.
Read up to“Nobody vill buy zis stupid car,” and decided the rest of the article was beneath my notice as was its author.
 

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but one of the biggest benefits of EVs is how their ability to accelerate has no impact on energy use in normal driving
Not sure the author knows much about Tesla or even a Bolt.

Btw, he is also missing the point on launch control.

On the taycan, launch is a part of the driving experience - you can just do it and do it repeatedly and quickly. Sure, few will do it 23 times in a row.

The Tesla S is different. It isn’t part of the driving experience, it is a party trick, like the fart app. Warm up battery, wait, go to special menu, etc. by the time you were able to do the first one, a taycan will have traveled 30 miles.

Preheat the battery by charging it to 100% and aim to finish the charge just before you plan to use the car
Turn on max battery mode – Hold your finger on ‘Max Battery’ and turn it on (45mins-60mins to fully heat, you can do this whilst the car is parked and locked)
Turn on Ludicrous+ mode (if P100D / Long Range Performance) or turn on Ludicrous mode (P90DL/P85DL) or Insane mode (P90D/P85D)
Ensure tyres are free of small stones and the ground is dry and free of stones/dirt etc.
Ensure you’ve driven a bit and used the brakes to bring their temperature up
Drop your suspension to low (if possible)
Warmer weather is best and must be above 3 degrees C to Engage Launch Mode (Model S / X only)
 
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I’ll echo the sentiments of several others who posted here. It’s frustrating that we routinely see comparisons between Tesla and Porsche just b/c they are both EV. Why don’t we compare Suburu and Porsche ICE’s? I mean they’re both small, light, fast, ICE’s.... right? /s.

I get that there aren’t other performance oriented EV’s out there and I look forward to when there are others that can step into the lime light. But what some of these authors miss is we don’t all buy a particular car b/c it’s always the perfect value. I have a Tesla Model X and it’s absolute junk from a fit and finish perspective. It’s a ridiculously overpriced Honda Accord wrapped around an iPhone that updates every couple of weeks with new party tricks. Model 3’s are where Tesla shines and I would agree that, for some, the self driving is game changing when you’re in the car 45 minutes on the interstate bumper to bumper traffic. But for me, self driving is still a party trick. Use for any length in and around my city and you’re waiting to get hit or catch a drink from someone passing by you after your car can’t decide what speed to go.

I’m excited to have the Taycan just do what it’s supposed to do and do it well and repeatedly. And for god sake, it has buttons... glorious buttons. The taycan is a well executed EV. I have high hopes that more will follow in its footsteps.
 

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