Should I turn down new 4S 73kw battery ?

[103 CR]

Oh wow ! That’s incredible information , thank you so much . My accountant couldn’t find that and even HMRC help line said a pre registered demo didn’t qualify.
I will follow this up. Thanks again for the information. This forum is an incredible resource.
Thank you to everyone for contributing today

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[svp6]

Hi , no I don’t have long commute as I work from home and drive out to see customers but nothing usually more than 35- 50 miles each way , plus I have a 22k charger at home .

my concerns about the small battery are will it be difficult to sell on - don’t want to get stuck with an undesirable car and will i notice it’s slower than a 4s with performance plus battery.

thanks for sharing your thoughts - it’s really helpful

This is not about the commute. My commute is a whopping 4 miles, yet I would not buy a car with less than 300 miles range in summer. That means in winter you can reliably get 200 miles. It is all about the small trips you may want to do occasionally - nothing fancy, just about 100 miles away from home. The small battery means you will have to plan a charging stop in bad weather, the large one you just have enough to go home. Having to stop in the middle of nowhere to charge is no fun.

When you do long trips it does not matter that much, because you plan ahead the stops, get info where to get dinner etc. For the short trips you don't usually do that, and you will be inevitably surprised. At least that is what happened to me for the last 6 years of EV ownership.

 

[andrewh3]

I like the spec and the smaller battery, if not an issue for you as a "daily driver", would not worry me so much now that I have had my car for a few months. Some have indicated that the smaller battery car has some advantages in terms of handling with the lighter weight. Range limitation is very dependent on how you would use the car. Performance wise I test drove a 4S and 4SPB+ and I could not detect a difference in performance at legal speeds: I also drove a turbo S and that was clearly faster/warp speed capable.
For me, I would want the Bose, but again, very personal and likely I would be keen on ownership now rather than a 6-12 month wait!

 

[W1NGE]

Yes , pano roof , 4 +1 rear seats , Bose , rear camera
The build code is PMZHKZX8

I didn’t think it was possible to get a discount on these cars in the uk or anywhere else where the waiting list is so long ?

Normally no discounts in UK on a Porsche (not what you want really, need to protect the brand and all that!).

The spec is fine apart from the std battery which would make me really hesitant and the lack of 360 cameras (I rely on them to put the car in the garage).

In Nov last year the max range I got on 100% charge was 220 miles (I actually thought I didn't have the PB+) now I'm getting around 252 (once hit 270). So it is possible that you will get sub 200 miles in the winter months (which may not be an issue for you) - worth checking what the range is when charged to 100% (ask the dealer to do it).

Also notice you don't have electric folding mirrors (essential for me, expected to be standard 'yes' but alas they're not).

You may be able to negotiate a discount / paint protection - GTECHNIQ Platinum / alloy wheel insurance / something to tempt but I can't see past the battery issue and as others have pointed out the PB+ is standard on all Cross Turismos from launch which is interesting to say the least.

If you are running as a company car then I guess you can take advantage of depreciation etc so that may take away the resale concern to a degree.

 

[Nipri]

Oh wow ! That’s incredible information , thank you so much . My accountant couldn’t find that and even HMRC help line said a pre registered demo didn’t qualify.
I will follow this up. Thanks again for the information. This forum is an incredible resource.
Thank you to everyone for contributing today

I bought a demo car which had 300 miles & with VAT deductible. It does qualify as have put mine through business.
Managed to get almost 10% discount which was 3 months ago. Can appreciate due to semi conductor shortage currently, discounts might a lot more difficult. If you don't ask, won't get!
Thanks,

 

[Silveral]

Well, I believe the base Taycan feels different that my 4S with regular battery. Again, as of right now (might also be age-related), I find it impossible to accelerate any faster than this. And this is after 4 months of ownership with an average of 1-2 launch controls a day.....

 

[andyd]

Standard battery works fine for me. I didn't realise the 93kwh battery has more power? Are you sure, I thought just more range.

Do you need more range? If 200 mi is enough for all cases for your use profile, don't worry so much. If you are more interested in resale value, the bigger battery with more power for the car is for sure a selling point, as somebody from a dealer told me.

 

[TaterTex]

Hi ,

I have a dilemma - my dealer has a new , unregistered MY 21 4S which I have paid a deposit on and am due to sign the paperwork , pay the rest of the deposit and pick up this week.

I’m really not sure if I am doing the right thing as I did not spec it and it and I am compromising on quite a few things but the biggest worry is it has the smaller 73kw battery. It also does not have sports chrono.

if I pass on this it could be a long time before another car with a performance battery plus is available , whether to order or otherwise .

My concerns about the smaller battery are
1. Reduced range
2. Reduced power 60-80mph zone in particular
3. Reduced desirability on resale
4. It’s late in the cycle for a MY21

I’m buying this via my company on HP for maximum tax benefits so no guaranteed minimum value , just a final payment to own it. No option to hand the car back for a guaranteed minimum residual value. All the risk of resale value and time to sell are on me.

Should I pass on this car and wait for a car with a performance plus battery ? Don’t want to be stuck with something which is difficult /slow to sell on.

I regret not having the larger battery on my 4S due to the shorter range. This is especially important with the lack of a fast-chargers and Electrify America stations in my area and state. The smaller battery was a mistake for me personally.

But, someday we may be driving cars with 2,000 mile ranges that fully charge in a few minutes and wonder why we ever used ICE’s in the first place.

 

[im85288]

Standard battery works fine for me. I didn't realise the 93kwh battery has more power? Are you sure, I thought just more range.

Definitely more HP and allows charging at 270kW as apposed to 225kW, see the specs here:https://press.porsche.com/download/...d?OpenAgent&attachmentid=1787280&previewpdf=1

Also nice thread on it here: https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/4s-performance-battery-plus-yes-or-no.667/page-5

 

[B61]

I don’t understand how can larger battery (=fuel tank) provide more horse power?
afaik, different motors brings more HP, not battery.
after all, the same battery is used in CT4, CT4S and turbo…but with different motors, right?

 

[Midlifecrisis]

scroll to the bottom of that first link... distance travelled in 2.5 seconds is greater for the car WITHOUT the bigger battery. Presumably due to weight. All other figures are very similar - presumably because the extra power is offset by the extra weight.

 

[Miwa]

I don’t understand how can larger battery (=fuel tank) provide more horse power?
afaik, different motors brings more HP, not battery.
after all, the same battery is used in CT4, CT4S and turbo…but with different motors, right?

Batteries are wired in parallel, so more cells = higher max current from them. Think of it like you have lots of 1 gal gas tanks, each with their own fuel line.

For what the HP rating for a car is, marketing is a significant reason why things are they way they are. The CT4 and CT4S can have the exact same motors, but have different software limits to differentiate them.

 

[im85288]

scroll to the bottom of that first link... distance travelled in 2.5 seconds is greater for the car WITHOUT the bigger battery. Presumably due to weight. All other figures are very similar - presumably because the extra power is offset by the extra weight.

Haha yes good spot, who really knows. The top of the page states it has 53 more HP without launch control activated but that will obviously be offset by the heavier battery for some part. I haven’t test drove one without so just have to go off what others said in the second link that pulling power at 60-100 is a bit faster.

 

[feye]

Standard battery works fine for me. I didn't realise the 93kwh battery has more power? Are you sure, I thought just more range.

Yes it has. Makes sense to at least make up for the additional weight.

 

[feye]

Batteries are wired in parallel, so more cells = higher max current from them. Think of it like you have lots of 1 gal gas tanks, each with their own fuel line.

Good analogy, but: It's all software controlled and none of the batteries nor the electric motors in any of these models work on their technical limit. They all have extra power.

DC fast charging is pretty much on the technical limit, if you want to keep the battery inside the warranty limit. That's why the smaller battery pack has a lower charging limit.

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