Tesla Model S Plaid Announcement

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narrow pumped up tires.
my Tesla and Taycan have same recommended PSI pressure - so what is pumped up about your Tesla tires?

perhaps post a picture of the recomended PSI sticker from your Tesla and your Taycan and we can compare.
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Tesla's tire pressure is a moving target.... I remember the service inflated my P85D to 45 PSI (that was the recommended pressure de jour), then on another visit asked me why they are so high.... I don't even know where they should be now, latest I remember was 42 PSI. My Taycan says 39 PSI (I think). I inflated the tires to 42 PSI, marginal improvement in range, no visible change in comfort.

In all fairness, going beyond the EPA range (overstated for Tesla, understated for Taycan) there is plenty of evidence the observed Wh/mile if better for Tesla, as is the range - but by a much thinner margin than what people would think from the EPA numbers.
 

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True!
I just cannot believe why some people are so desperate that they need to believe that some pot smoking guy can invent a technical miracle.
SpaceX, PayPal and Tesla have all been incredible and brought about massive change in the world. Why not believe?
 

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Well, that didn't take long.

"Performance testing of the #LucidAir platform continues. As we push Lucid's in-house developed EV powertrain tech to new heights, today we share our latest work-in-progress: A 9.245 second 1/4 mile @ 157.26 mph. Stay tuned for more."

https://insideevs.com/news/445687/lucid-air-tri-motor-performance-drag/

I wonder if Porsche can release an update for the Taycan to extend the overboost for a 1/4 mile instead of just a 2-3 second burst. For the Turbo S that's 750hp for the entire 1/4 mile. I bet that gets it pretty close to 10 seconds flat, which is still outrageous.

I'm also not sure how comfortable I am with all these street legal cars suddenly running sub-10 second 1/4 miles.
 

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Porsche has always been about the driving experience. Certainly the HP and acceleration are significant factors, but the question is, does this car put a smile on your face every time you drive it? Plaid - meh... Plenty of cars can outrun a Porsche in the 1/4 mile. Not many can compete in smiles/mile.
 

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Porsche has always been about the driving experience. Certainly the HP and acceleration are significant factors, but the question is, does this car put a smile on your face every time you drive it? Plaid - meh... Plenty of cars can outrun a Porsche in the 1/4 mile. Not many can compete in smiles/mile.
This so much. Porsche isn't going to win any numbers on a page comparison. Anyone can make something go fast in a straight line, it's a simple equation. There's way too much fixation on numbers here. Range, 1/4 mile, 0-60, etc., all pointless.

Lots of Mustangs were faster around a track than either of my V8 R8's, but there's no way I'd give them up for the Mustang either. :p
 
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Well, that didn't take long.

"Performance testing of the #LucidAir platform continues. As we push Lucid's in-house developed EV powertrain tech to new heights, today we share our latest work-in-progress: A 9.245 second 1/4 mile @ 157.26 mph. Stay tuned for more."

https://insideevs.com/news/445687/lucid-air-tri-motor-performance-drag/

I wonder if Porsche can release an update for the Taycan to extend the overboost for a 1/4 mile instead of just a 2-3 second burst. For the Turbo S that's 750hp for the entire 1/4 mile. I bet that gets it pretty close to 10 seconds flat, which is still outrageous.

I'm also not sure how comfortable I am with all these street legal cars suddenly running sub-10 second 1/4 miles.
Carwow ran a 1/4 mile in 10.3 seconds with their Taycan Turbo S. I'm sure if overboost was extended for the entire mile, it would definitely run 9's
 

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Dave - I love your posts and your insights. I also agree that most of the issues with EA and the Taycan will continue into 2021, and possibly longer (sigh...)

But for anyone reading this post let me say that the Taycan 4S is the best car I've ever purchased (leased) because it is by far the most fun to drive.

The other issues like my learning how to avoid curbing the 21" Mission-E wheels (ouch on the first repair), deciding how to handle EA charging stations that aren't working, etc. are still on the "who cares" end of the spectrum for me. I simply love this car :rock:

Did I say it was the most fun to drive?
Yes! Totally agree. The BEST car I've owned so far, all considered. Btw, did you use a pic of my car? LOL. Still have to post one. Love my mission-E wheels!
 

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This faster 0-60 time trend needs to stop. It's a crutch many EV manufacturers are using to avoid making cars that drive well & have high quality.

The Lucid Air does 0-60 in 2 seconds!!!!!!! Oh, yeah, so we don't have working brakes on it, we haven't figured out the suspension, it randomly shuts down when driving.. BUT 2 SECONDS TO SIXTY!

If Tesla had announced a plan to update the aethetics, quality & driving of the Model S I'd be impressed. Instead it's just the same lame song & dance.
 

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If Tesla had announced a plan to update the aethetics, quality & driving of the Model S I'd be impressed. Instead it's just the same lame song & dance.

Not sure EV technology advancements are a lame song and dance. I'm pretty sure we will see this down the line as the S is still the flagship and the vehicle Tesla uses to push range and performance boundaries.

I just think R&D into aesthetic changes and 3 year refreshes clearly just aren't as important to Tesla's business model, especially while fleshing out their vehicle lineup in the infancy of their existence. Traditional vehicle consumers might not like it, but overall it seems to be working out pretty well for them, having built the most valuable car company in history.
 

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just my perspective as a long time Tesla customer (I’ve own 5 Tesla’s and currently own 1 Tesla)

end of 2021 means mid 2022 _IF_ you’re lucky
the Roadster was supposed to be mid-2020 - we’re still waiting
sub-2 second 0-60 is difficult on street tires (physics not engineering) - the drive train may be able to do it - but it will require some pretty ideal conditions (temperature, surface type, and battery SOC)
by then Lucid Air will be on the market - that will be interesting
Elon will still be promising a drop of the FSD sofware just 10 weeks out cause it’s gotten so good

EA network will still suck
and in North America the supercharger network will still be way better than the CCS fast charging network

it remains to be seen if Tesla will improve on anything over the drive train - if it’s not a refreshed “S” with a better interior at that price point it will be even more dicy than it is today.

at $154,000 base price I’ll take the Taycan’s fit/finish over Tesla’s for a simlar price

Porsche will still be sending us to dealers for OTA updates, and we’ll still be having random 12V battery issues…

competition is good for all vendors - I love seeing the progress.
I had an early Tesla P85+. It was very quick off the line and some years later when I drove a !00D I felt is was somewhat quicker but not noticeable enough to update the original Model S. I do recall feeling uneasy and even unsafe every time a punched it. The suspension, the brakes and the seating and general lack of performance engineering made going fast more a stunt than a driving experience.

We got a Taycan Turbo S in May. We have a 911 Turbo S as well and the Taycan is flat out a performance automobile. The bragging rights a sub 2 second 0-60 will provide for eventual Plaid owners will do little to enhance the satisfaction of driving one of the world's most complete performance automobiles. When you're measuring acceleration at these HP levels few of us can find a place or the opportunity to use what we're bragging about. The Taycan Turbo S is about as evolved as we're likely to get. And it looks like it performs. That's a tough act to follow.
 

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I Currently have an MS P100D. At 20k miles it developed a vibration when accelerating which led to the front drive shafts being replaced. I never launched it after that as I didn’t think it was built to take it. I also couldn’t imagine what Ludicrous + does to the battery. When it reaches the ideal temperature, all of the fans are going full pelt like at a supercharger on a hot day as it struggles not to overheat.

I don’t think Tesla is capable of building the Plaid. It will fall apart. This is a specialist vehicle that needs an entirely different approach to manufacture and maintenance. I cannot imagine spending £139k on a car and then get treated like a Model 3 owner.
 

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We got a Taycan Turbo S in May. We have a 911 Turbo S as well and the Taycan is flat out a performance automobile. The bragging rights a sub 2 second 0-60 will provide for eventual Plaid owners will do little to enhance the satisfaction of driving one of the world's most complete performance automobiles. When you're measuring acceleration at these HP levels few of us can find a place or the opportunity to use what we're bragging about. The Taycan Turbo S is about as evolved as we're likely to get. And it looks like it performs. That's a tough act to follow.
You definitely get what you pay for. At the price of a Turbo S, you could buy a couple of Performance Model S vehicles, Performance Model 3's for the family, or consider some super cars.

Porsche has beaten Tesla from an aesthetic, performance, and fit and finish standpoint hands down. But it's also significantly more expensive even for a 4S, where comparison's between a Tesla and Porsche is more appropriate.

Owning both, I would only recommend a Taycan to a potential EV buyer if performance is the #1 most important thing when purchasing a car. It's probably my favorite can I have ever purchased, but, Tesla still offers a superior top to bottom EV experience.
 

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I don’t think Tesla is capable of building the Plaid. It will fall apart. This is a specialist vehicle that needs an entirely different approach to manufacture and maintenance. I cannot imagine spending £139k on a car and then get treated like a Model 3 owner.
It really makes me wonder why they're taking this approach for the Model S and not just sticking with the Roadster, especially since the Roadster price-point is closer to a Turbo S. I would get if they had just announced that the S will have a 500 mile range soon, but the performance stuff is strange to me. The Model S is no joke off the line by any standards, but its more of a family truckster ala National Lampoon in terms of size and storage that just so happens to be incredibly fast.

It almost makes me wonder if they're planning some larger updates to the Model S that they haven't mentioned. There are some rumors going around Tesla message boards that retail and Tesla sales staff have hinted about an S refresh announcement coming in early 2021. Super grain of salt, but it doesn't make sense to put these performance benchmarks up there without making other changes to the car. Elon gets baited by these EV pissing contests that it wouldn't surprise.
 

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Get yourself a couple 'traffic cones' and practice pulling up to them in your driveway, both from the side, and from the front. I do this whenever I get a new car that has a low front spoiler, and it will get you very familiar with just how much room you have on the passenger side when parking. It's definitely worth a few hours of your time...:clap:
Thanks! I haven’t done that yet but it’s definitely worth the effort.
 
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