What a beautiful car..

[mcr21]

The anti-EV opinions seem to be driven by the fossel fuel industry and the right wing press. For people that are taken in by this rubbish, there's a simple cure for this - give them 5 minutes in any Taycan...

Preferably five minutes outside the speed camera-infested 20 mph zones in central London

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[freeforall]

I agree 100% with you.

One time my wife was driving my car and I was in the city and saw her driving, my first thought was; holy shit a gentian Taycan! And after a split second I realized it was my own.

That happened to me a few times as well ?I also have a Gentian Blue ST with 21 RS Spyder, it is just a beauty. On top of the curved shapes that I love on the Taycan, I like how shiny the color is and how it changes depending on the light.

One confession: I always park my car at the lowest suspension level so I enjoy looking at it when I approach it. Am I the only one?? ?

 

[Remedy234]

I leave mine at the lowest setting permanently purely for that reason ?

 

[Jasper4S]

I leave mine at the lowest setting permanently purely for that reason ?

#metoo

 

[KLHubb]

Be careful with the lowest chassis setting! A number of us have bottomed out on speed bumps and curbs...requiring the side/front/rear skirts to be replaced. I agree these are beautiful, high performance vehicles...I have a 2020 Mamba Green 4S, and have had no problems over the past 3.5 years of ownership. I bought an 8 year Porsche insurance policy to cover possible problems and plan to keep the vehicle to 2030. I am ready to order the Cayman E as soon as it is available.

 

[Jasper4S]

Be careful with the lowest chassis setting! A number of us have bottomed out on speed bumps and curbs...requiring the side/front/rear skirts to be replaced. I agree these are beautiful, high performance vehicles...I have a 2020 Mamba Green 4S, and have had no problems over the past 3.5 years of ownership. I bought an 8 year Porsche insurance policy to cover possible problems and plan to keep the vehicle to 2030. I am ready to order the Cayman E as soon as it is available.

In areas with speed bumps and in parking garages I always drive lifted, and I always feel ashamed in my giraffe looking car with the high suspension setting.

 

[SteveDC]

I agree.

Its an amazing car, beautiful and with low running costs, practicality, luxury and stunning performance.

It makes me wonder wtf is going on with used values

Maybe the used market will come to understand in time and prices will pick up?

There are a lot of dark forces at work in the anti EV movement at present imo convincing Joe Public they are bad.

But us people that own and drive the car on a daily basis actually know the truth.....
It is an amazing car!

I think the market, including us, has started to come to terms with a grim realization about EV ownership: at some point the car will die, and you will not be able to revive it, because it’s source of power is, in effect, terminally ill. In fact, you will probably have to part with the car long before the battery’s death, because your effective range is no longer acceptable. Who would buy such a car from you? Unlike an ICE car, you can’t have cylinders reworked, say, and have some repairs (at acceptable cost) making the car worth keeping and driving. The EV industry has to come up with a way to restore the power source at something like a reasonable price, and $40,000 for a replacement is not a reasonable price. At present, we are not be able to overcome this inherent EV limitation, which will hurt even new car prices as the market comes to realize the short half-life of these vehicles. A mainstream, practical way to restore the power source must be devised.

 

[f1eng]

I think the market, including us, has started to come to terms with a grim realization about EV ownership: at some point the car will die, and you will not be able to revive it, because it’s source of power is, in effect, terminally ill. In fact, you will probably have to part with the car long before the battery’s death, because your effective range is no longer acceptable. Who would buy such a car from you? Unlike an ICE car, you can’t have cylinders reworked, say, and have some repairs (at acceptable cost) making the car worth keeping and driving. The EV industry has to come up with a way to restore the power source at something like a reasonable price, and $40,000 for a replacement is not a reasonable price. At present, we are not be able to overcome this inherent EV limitation, which will hurt even new car prices as the market comes to realize the short half-life of these vehicles. A mainstream, practical way to restore the power source must be devised.

There is no reason why the battery will be much more to service than an old IC engine once businesses to do it get going.
The motor won’t require much maintenance.

The problem for the image of EVs is unfamiliarity and ignorance not actual engineering IMO.

 

[Vim Schrotnock]

Does this car look like it needs a 'refresh' in the design?? ?

 

[Scandinavian]

There is no reason why the battery will be much more to service than an old IC engine once businesses to do it get going.
The motor won’t require much maintenance.

The problem for the image of EVs is unfamiliarity and ignorance not actual engineering IMO.

I agree. There will be workshops that can repair batteries, as long as they can get spare modules etc. There are already some of these shops springing up in Norway.

And replacing the battery, which is much of the power source for an EV, will likely come down in price from today’s level.

Replacing an engine in a 996 is not exactly cheap either! A rebuild of the main parts of the engine, if not shredded, can be done for 15- 20 k dollars by some specialists.

 

[Scandinavian]

Does this car look like it needs a 'refresh' in the design?? ?

Yes it does!

I can offer you 20 k dollars so ease the costs!

 

[Jasper4S]

Does this car look like it needs a 'refresh' in the design?? ?

All I see is depreciation

Kidding . the design of gen1 is perfect. Gen2 design is growing on me, so almost perfection

 

[f1eng]

I agree. There will be workshops that can repair batteries, as long as they can get spare modules etc. There are already some of these shops springing up in Norway.

And replacing the battery, which is much of the power source for an EV, will likely come down in price from today’s level.

Replacing an engine in a 996 is not exactly cheap either! A rebuild of the main parts of the engine, if not shredded, can be done for 15- 20 k dollars by some specialists.

Multi-ratio gearboxes and their clutches don’t last as long as one would expect a motor/reduction ratio either and they aren’t cheap to service or replace.

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

I think the market, including us, has started to come to terms with a grim realization about EV ownership: at some point the car will die, and you will not be able to revive it, because it’s source of power is, in effect, terminally ill. In fact, you will probably have to part with the car long before the battery’s death, because your effective range is no longer acceptable. Who would buy such a car from you? Unlike an ICE car, you can’t have cylinders reworked, say, and have some repairs (at acceptable cost) making the car worth keeping and driving. The EV industry has to come up with a way to restore the power source at something like a reasonable price, and $40,000 for a replacement is not a reasonable price. At present, we are not be able to overcome this inherent EV limitation, which will hurt even new car prices as the market comes to realize the short half-life of these vehicles. A mainstream, practical way to restore the power source must be devised.

I agree, in part, with your point - a healthy used car market is essential for the longevity of these cars; there have to be sufficiently many examples "worth rescuing" for someone to get in the business of reconditioning/restoring (in the functionality sense, not aesthetics) older cars.

Having said that, batteries are inherently more serviceable than engines; just be wary of orange connectors, swap old with new. There's nothing to "fix" in the old ones, and there are businesses which grind existing cells to recover a high percentage of the "valuable" materials. Worst case, an old EV battery makes an excellent "home powerbank" as-is (at 50% SoH, ~50kWh of electricity is quite a bit).

And speaking of ICE engines, they a) don't last forever, and b) rebuilding ain't cheap. If you're interested, I can give you a breakdown of my costs of trying to have an M96 rebuilt. It's going to be "better" than new (maybe), but it's not far from the current cost of a new battery. And I only expect those to come down. Contrary to ICEs, EVs have a higher potential for being "forever cars" because of their inherent simplicity. It'll require new skills, sure, but far less effort (to attain those skills, or repair/fix an EV).

 

[Browning]

I simply can’t at times help but stare at my own car. What a creation. Hats off Porsche. Even after all these years, no other electric car excites me such, turns heads.

Had lots of mid life crisis cars but the Taycan has given me the best smile every time I drive it just love it

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