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Here’s your cookie friend ?

Actually, take 2 ??

I also have virtual tacos available if you’re interested. ?
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I think this hits the nail on the head. As someone coming to the brand for the first time, the expectation from the marketing and sales work is not just one of performance, but also high quality. Perhaps, given your comment, the quality has simply never been there when it comes to major systems.
Major systems such as the infotainment, or proximity locking, or..? I’m confused. When the Taycan was launched, it was the only EV on 800V architecture, featuring the fastest charging and repeatable acceleration tests. Would you agree those qualify as “major systems”, of perhaps “better quality” than that of the competition?

Taycan has brought tons of first-time buyers to the brand, and I expect I'm not alone in expecting a brand name like Porsche to be, if not reliable, then at least functional and at feature parity with its contemporaries in most of the major categories. Based on your comment, and some of the people being annoyed or shocked at my comments, it sounds like the quality level just isn't there in the brand.
I’ve always wondered what brought some of these first-time buyers to the brand. “Functional parity”? This is a company that stubbornly stuck with 2-valve per air-cooled cylinder long after their competitors went to 5/ - and still kicking their butts on the road and on the track. The same company was ahead of everyone else with turbocharging - while other early adopters abandoned their initial forays, they stuck with it again on the road and on the track, amassing competition results and sales. Put together, it seems this is a company focused on performance as a “feature”, and on quality - in the sense of durability of said performance. The Taycan is no different, and it’s a bit of a shame that a few new customers feel they have been mislead. Thankfully they’re a small minority (albeit a noisy one), because it seems their definition of “quality” is strictly limited to user interface or similar matters of convenience.
 

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Just my two cents that after 20 months and perhaps 6 dealer visits in that period (infotainment crashing, internal sensors, key module that was clicking, LHS charger port broken, etc.) I had enough and a friend's offer to buy his 992 at "mates rate" has tempted me back to ICE world, and selling the CT.

While I was annoyed by the defects and repeated trips to the dealer, the deciding factor was ultimately how fast the Taycan is depreciating in Switzerland. I took 40% bath after 20 months, and that's on a reduced MSRP price that I had, true depreciation on MSRP would be even higher. I initially had planned to buy the car at the end of the lease, but all these defects changed my mind to not keep it, and the steep depreciation curve made it less economical than a 911 despite fuel bills and service for the latter.

I hope Porsche comes out with a nice e-Boxster soon, I hope it will convince me, but before buying it I will keep an eye on depreciation and potential issues in the forums
 

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For the people who somehow want an EV but don't want it to have modern capabilities, well, you are always free to NOT use them
That is what I do (or don't do)

Not sure what "modern capabilities" appeal to anybody else.

I was looking for a quiet comfortable every day car with a good turn of speed when needed.

I despise the inevitable aerodynamic pityfulness of SUVs and have a dog. There aren't many estate cars available and I was delighted at the speed and handling of the Taycan as well as it being quiet and comfortable.

EVs have better throttle response than IC engined cars, particularly turbos which are unacceptable to me but becoming ubiquitous.

The software that counts, IMO, is that controlling the ride in the air suspension, the feel of the steering and effectiveness of the PDCC and rear axle steering. These may be Porsche tuned parameters in a sub-contractor’s software, or all Porsche, I don't care, but it is this software that matters to me.

I don't have the sound system on most of the time and never phone anybody from a car.

The last modern capability I remember considering a really worthwhile bit of technology was central locking - I would hate to do without that - but could, obviously ;)
 
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Just my two cents that after 20 months and perhaps 6 dealer visits in that period (infotainment crashing, internal sensors, key module that was clicking, LHS charger port broken, etc.) I had enough and a friend's offer to buy his 992 at "mates rate" has tempted me back to ICE world, and selling the CT.

While I was annoyed by the defects and repeated trips to the dealer, the deciding factor was ultimately how fast the Taycan is depreciating in Switzerland. I took 40% bath after 20 months, and that's on a reduced MSRP price that I had, true depreciation on MSRP would be even higher. I initially had planned to buy the car at the end of the lease, but all these defects changed my mind to not keep it, and the steep depreciation curve made it less economical than a 911 despite fuel bills and service for the latter.

I hope Porsche comes out with a nice e-Boxster soon, I hope it will convince me, but before buying it I will keep an eye on depreciation and potential issues in the forums
I’m sorry, but I don’t understand why so many people on the forum are concerned about depreciation.

The Taycan is first and foremost, a performance car designed for people who love to drive. It is also the first generation of Porsche’s electrified brand. By definition it’s going to have some issues and early adopters should expect that. When the number of issues are too great, Lemon Laws come into play, and every auto maker creates occasional lemons (if I wanted to type more I could tell you about a Volvo I bought in 1985 - disaster)

if you love driving and can tolerate some of the early adopter issues, then stick with the Taycan, because it is really the best EV drivers car out there. If for some reason you expected perfection then, respectfully, I don’t think this car is for you. If you were one of the unfortunate few that bought a lemon then I suggest you use the Lemon Laws in your region to your advantage and recover as much of your cost as possible.

if your primary concern is depreciation, then I have to wonder why you would spend so much money on a car in the first place. None of these high-performance luxury vehicles is going to retain its value in the rapidly changing world we live in today. If you want to reduce your depreciation losses, just buy a Tesla Model 3. It’ll get you where you want to go and the depreciation will be not an issue.

it also occurs to me @tutis, that after you trade your Taycan in, the next owner is going to be very happy with it since you’ve already shaken the bugs out. C’est la vie?
 
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That is what I do (or don't do)

Not sure what "modern capabilities" appeal to anybody else.

I was looking for a quiet comfortable every day car with a good turn of speed when needed.

I despise the inevitable aerodynamic pityfulness of SUVs and have a dog. There aren't many estate cars available and I was delighted at the speed and handling of the Taycan as well as it being quiet and comfortable.

EVs have better throttle response than IC engined cars, particularly turbos which are unacceptable to me but becoming ubiquitous.

The software that counts, IMO, is that controlling the ride in the air suspension, the feel of the steering and effectiveness of the PDCC and rear axle steering. These may be Porsche tuned parameters in a sub-contractors software, or all Porsche, I don't care, but it is this software that matters to me.

I don't have the sound system on most of the time and never phone anybody from a car.

The last modern capability I remember considering a really worthwhile bit of technology was central locking - I would hate to do without that - but could, obviously ;)
I am completely with you on this...

if i wanted a massive ipad in the car and fart noises to keep the kids amused i would get a Tesla. I'd probably be disappointed in the build quality and lack of steering feel but you pays your money and takes your choice...

As a random aside, and not really tech but a disproportionate modern benefit that I dont want not to have in the future - heated steering wheel! I bloody love 'em!
 

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As a random aside, and not really tech but a disproportionate modern benefit that I dont want not to have in the future - heated steering wheel! I bloody love 'em!
Ah yes, that is a modern capability worth having, like heated seats.
I had always thought heated seats were an expensive gimmick but “inherited” a company car specced by somebody else while my new one was being built and it had them and I was converted.
Now I appreciate massage and cooling too.
 

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I’ve always wondered what brought some of these first-time buyers to the brand. “Functional parity”? This is a company that stubbornly stuck with 2-valve per air-cooled cylinder long after their competitors went to 5/ - and still kicking their butts on the road and on the track. The same company was ahead of everyone else with turbocharging - while other early adopters abandoned their initial forays, they stuck with it again on the road and on the track, amassing competition results and sales. Put together, it seems this is a company focused on performance as a “feature”, and on quality - in the sense of durability of said performance. The Taycan is no different, and it’s a bit of a shame that a few new customers feel they have been mislead. Thankfully they’re a small minority (albeit a noisy one), because it seems their definition of “quality” is strictly limited to user interface or similar matters of convenience.
First-time Porsche buyer here. I have owned several Audis (S4 4.2, A6, RS e-tron GT...) and BMWs (323i, 540i...), a Tesla (Model S P85DL) and a long time ago a Toyota (Supra 3.0 1987). All have been daily drivers, and more often than not I have kept them for several years. I chose Taycan GTS ST for driving feel, the combination of excellent road manners and comfort, performance (although I seldom exploit that), reasonably good practicality and roominess, and with an expectation of great craftsmanship and materials in a good design. And because I don't want ICE cars anymore. The features of the PCM are not important to me, and I did not expect world-beating quality in that area. Neither do I expect good self-driving capabilities - in fact I skipped most of the options for that. I bought the car to drive it, not to be driven. If it was up to me, Porsche could skip all self-driving efforts entirely.

Managing expectations is a balancing act. Marketing has to promise things, but creating too high expectations is the surest way to dissatisfaction. Personally I mostly subtract a bit from most marketing, to avoid some of the disappointments. Yes, the PCM crashes once or twice a week; yes, navigation is far from optimal. Still, I find I can live well with a Taycan. (But I hope the software will be better when I have owned it a good while.)
 


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if the problems your having is with the non-driving aspects of the taycan (PCM, cloud, app, etc…)
not sure how moving to a Macan fixes that - Porsche is at least consistent in this space - all their stuff sucks the same across their product line…at least that's my experience with all the Porsche's I own/owned.
 

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I feel bad for the OP because sometimes shit happens and one can just be the unlucky one. That being said, I love my 22 RWD that I've had for about a year and half/13K miles. Everybody around me knows I love it including family, friends, and neighbors. I was washing my car in the driveway yesterday and getting honks/smiles/thumbs up from people/neighbors driving by. It's a thing to the point where I get texts from people saying they saw another cool Porsche on the road and thought of me. Lastly, I tell people that I love my wife more than my car....but it's pretty close.
 

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I’m sorry, but I don’t understand why so many people on the forum are concerned about depreciation.

The Taycan is first and foremost, a performance car designed for people who love to drive. It is also the first generation of Porsche’s electrified brand. By definition it’s going to have some issues and early adopters should expect that. When the number of issues are too great, Lemon Laws come into play, and every auto maker creates occasional lemons (if I wanted to type more I could tell you about a Volvo I bought in 1985 - disaster)

if you love driving and can tolerate some of the early adopter issues, then stick with the Taycan, because it is really the best EV drivers car out there. If for some reason you expected perfection then, respectfully, I don’t think this car is for you. If you were one of the unfortunate few that bought a lemon then I suggest you use the Lemon Laws in your region to your advantage and recover as much of your cost as possible.

if your primary concern is depreciation, then I have to wonder why you would spend so much money on a car in the first place. None of these high-performance luxury vehicles is going to retain its value in the rapidly changing world we live in today. If you want to reduce your depreciation losses, just buy a Tesla Model 3. It’ll get you where you want to go and the depreciation will be not an issue.

it also occurs to me @tutis, that after you trade your Taycan in, the next owner is going to be very happy with it since you’ve already shaken the bugs out. C’est la vie?
1000% this. This should be pinned to the top of the board.
 
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So does anyone know how I can find the valuation of my car for trade in?

I have a 2022 GTS Neptune Blue and fully loaded...cost my $177K
milage is 12,300 miles

The dealership offered me $102K
This seems very low to me

Do I really have to take a 75K hit for only 1 year?
 

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So does anyone know how I can find the valuation of my car for trade in?

I have a 2022 GTS Neptune Blue and fully loaded...cost my $177K
milage is 12,300 miles

The dealership offered me $102K
This seems very low to me

Do I really have to take a 75K hit for only 1 year?
yes - prices are lower for all used cars - and EV's have been suffering a pricing war - 107 for trade in seems about right - I'd consult cars.com to see what asking prices are for Taycans.
 

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So does anyone know how I can find the valuation of my car for trade in?

I have a 2022 GTS Neptune Blue and fully loaded...cost my $177K
milage is 12,300 miles

The dealership offered me $102K
This seems very low to me

Do I really have to take a 75K hit for only 1 year?
Much of that hit is just the drop from retail to wholesale, which I suspect is especially high for Porsche given the likelihood (or lack thereof) of a second buyer valuing your nearly unique build.
So that means the hit occurred to a significant extent not over the course of the first year but rather the first nanosecond after you titled it.
You might be able to get a bit more via the various wholesale buyers with an internet presence. Just start searching and all their ads will pop up. Be advised though that many of them are major bait and switch operations. Algo and Edmunds seem to be especially unrealistic.
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