Thinking of going back to ICE / hybrid - am I mad.

[f1eng]

Hi all

Drove a 992.2 4GTS last week and cannot get it out of my mind. It’s beautiful, handles well, sounds fantastic and is
very quick, it’s got under my skin. It picks up really well but not quite at full electric levels. Once it’s going it really goes. I’ve got an allocation for a GTS4. It’s not cheap and might be the next Porsche to experience high depreciation but my heart wants one. Would you change your very highly specced J1.1 4s that you’ve already taken all the depreciation on for one?

I shan't buy one but it is the only turbocharged car I would ever consider because the turbo with co-axial motor/generator is the only way, yet, to get reasonably low lag from a turbo engine.

Having written that AFAIK the only use of such a turbo has been in racing, the MGU-H in Formula 1 is such a device and it has actually been dropped from the 2026 engine spec "because it is too expensive for road car use" ie whilst it may be OK at 911GTS prices (and then it is really expensive...) but will never be cheap enough for mass production, even though it largely solves the biggest problem of turbo engines.

So if I were to buy another IC engined car (I have a couple still) it would have to be normally aspirated or this latest 911 GTS, any other turbo is unacceptable when not flat out IMO.

After a lifetime spent in motor sport engineering I realised fairly soon the biggest shortcoming of IC engines (power is dependant on air flow) has never been solved because it is inherent, so never could be.
IC engines are great for racing and track days, for a road car not good enough IMO.

If you want a 911 it is the best outside an unobtanium GT3.

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[BjörnfromHamburg]

The 911T I mean is a manual 992 (the only one apart GT), slightly weight reduced and optimized on purity.
For me a great reminiscense to "the good old days" but definitely not a daily driver.

 

[Raphie]

Kept my 4s, bought a 992

 

[andb]

I'm getting an RSQ8 soon because its more practical on long trips but I'll keep the Taycan for short trips although for that even a Renault 5 is enough.

 

[tomtom901]

Kept my 4s, bought a 992

Same

 

[Raphie]

Best IS both worlds ??

 

[j.w.s]

Hi all

Drove a 992.2 4GTS last week and cannot get it out of my mind. It’s beautiful, handles well, sounds fantastic and is
very quick, it’s got under my skin. It picks up really well but not quite at full electric levels. Once it’s going it really goes. I’ve got an allocation for a GTS4. It’s not cheap and might be the next Porsche to experience high depreciation but my heart wants one. Would you change your very highly specced J1.1 4s that you’ve already taken all the depreciation on for one?

The 911 is a great car, but I am entirely done with petrol. So I'll wait a few years for batteries to get lighter so that the true sports cars can go full EV. You know they will, and you know that, once they do, gas will seem slow, laggy, and smelly by comparison, even you ignore the environmental aspects.

 

[Redhot2474]

I just bought a 992.1 but couldn’t stomach losing my shirt after 2 years so I kept my Taycan GTS too. They both scratch a very particular itch but if I had to have only one car the Taycan is the “perfect” all rounder’

 

[Cooler]

I sold mine Turbo. Worst car moneywise ever, lost +3k per month in depreciation. That takes away to savings for cheaper running costs. It was 2020 and i had it from 8/2022, so soon it is near end of the battery warranty, which most likely drops values again hugely.

Car had all sort of recalls and charging was restricted to 80% from spring 2024 until end of 2025 (if the software comes out then). I did not need the 100% very often, but that did not give any confident about batteries lasting beyond warranty.

Car (EV's in general) did not exite me. Its fast yes, but it is too fast and you pick up speed so quick that you cant really hold pedal down long. As there is no exitiment or fun in the car I dont see any point to own Porsche EV.

 

[JimH1057]

I’d keep the Taycan and buy a (much) older 911 if what you want is a “purer” driving experience…

I just sold my 997.1 Targa 4S that I built in 2008 and after 16 years and driving my Targa 4S in snow storms of central Pennsylvania 2 years straight, I can tell you it was an amazing ride! Nothing like Feeling it plant you in the seat after flooring it on snow and ice during a snow storm. I loved the drive and with the roof open it was nearly a convertible. I put over 120,000 miles on it and it put a smile on my face every time it rumbled to life. When test drove my new Taycan 4S I felt the same driving passion so finally gave up my 911, I still miss my beautiful 911 but I am very excited to be a new Taycan driver.

 

[glengarrygr]

Guys I think we are trying to compare two uncomparable things. And I know exactly why: because we ALL love 911 and we all became addicted to Taycan at the same time. In our hearts nothing will ever give more emotions than a Carrera, but in our mind it is clear that performance and practicality wise nothing comes close to a Taycan. So, of course, best answer would be: buy the 911, maybe not the latest and greatest (imho everything from 997.2 onwards is outstanding) and keep your Taycan. This will tick all the boxes saving mileage on the 911, having practicality when required and the special carrera feeling for special occasions.
If, like myself, you cannot afford them both… then just see who speaks louder to you between love and reason ?

Tonysmart; your comment was like therapy for me. You summed it all up perfectly. I have a 991.2 S and will keep it, and recently got a 2025 Taycan for my wife. So having a 911 & a Taycan is ideal. PS: We live in the US and we've never been to Italy, but it is #1 on our vacation list.

 

[tonysmart]

Tonysmart; your comment was like therapy for me. You summed it all up perfectly. I have a 991.2 S and will keep it, and recently got a 2025 Taycan for my wife. So having a 911 & a Taycan is ideal. PS: We live in the US and we've never been to Italy, but it is #1 on our vacation list.

We may get along really well!!! I now live in Spain but if you ever go to Italy let me know and I ll give you some advice!
oh btw congrats for your awesome cars lineup!

 

[glengarrygr]

We may get along really well!!! I now live in Spain but if you ever go to Italy let me know and I ll give you some advice!
oh btw congrats for your awesome cars lineup!

I am going to take you up on "where to go in Italy", because my knowledge of the region is limited to US movies! I'm like many Americans -ignorant to ROW...

 

[tonysmart]

I am going to take you up on "where to go in Italy", because my knowledge of the region is limited to US movies! I'm like many Americans -ignorant to ROW...

DM me anytime! My pleasure

 

[David Bennett]

Just to bring this thread full circle, the deal is now done. The Taycan is gone and this lovely thing has finally arrived. So that's me leaving for now at least.
Unlike some who have sold and moved on I thought the Taycan was (is) a great car. Over 4 years and 40000 miles I only ever needed a couple of sets of new tyres and a single heater replacement, otherwise faultless. I took it all over the place, completed road trips and used it as a daily, and it was fun. I'm just glad it was on a lease so I didn't feel the full brunt of the depreciation. If it had just been a little smaller I think I would probably have kept it and given it to my wife but its just too long and too wide for her and our county lanes (and in truth me too).
Anyway bye for now.

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