Contemplating coming over from Model 3 - advice needed

[tomtom901]

Hi all,

Yes, another Tesla post. I currently have a Model 3 Performance, which works 'fine', but I am missing the connection to the car a bit. I like the tech they provide, and the Auto Pilot, but it's not a car that has me looking back to see if my hard earned money is safe. Another thing which annoys me in the Model 3 is the cabin noise, especially on Dutch highways. Which is why I started looking into the Taycan. I love the way it looks, especially on the back with the tail light. My test drive is scheduled for next week, so curious to see what I think.

My plan would be to keep this vehicle for a long time.

Anyhow, let me start by sharing the build:

http://www.porsche-code.com/PM34VYB2

I have been drooling quite some time over the Carmine Red option which sadly is one of the premium colors with regards to price. Ah well.

Some questions I hope you can help me out with.

1) I selected the default interior, but opinions seem to be split about the full leather. Would you say it is worth it. I am not trying to overspend by much, but I'd rather spend an extra 3k and be totally happy. Problem is this can be said for many options.

2) Opinions on InnoDrive as compared to Autopilot seem just as mixed, how is the autonomous driving in the highway. I have quite some commute so this is a real must and might be a reason to stick with the Tesla as of now.

3) For navigation, do most of you stick with the built-in or move to Apple Carplay?

4) Anything on the build I am missing or you would skip?

I am looking into the Taycan RWD just basically budget wise, since the 4S would increase the build by an extra 20k which is a bit much honestly. I honestly do not care that much about 0-60 (or 100 km/h in my case) but bought the performance since it is the best looking out of the bunch, as far as a Tesla goes.

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[daveo4EV]

1) upgrading a porsche interior always results in a nicer feel - this is a purely personal choice
2) Innodrive is NO WHERE NEAR as good as Tesla’s autopilot and in many ways is actively worse - I run my Taycan in North American in ACC/LKA mode only - Innodrive has a nasty habit of brake checking the vehicle behind you if it thinks the speed limit has changed - for stop & go traffic Porsche ACC/LKA is sufficient but a downgrade from Tesla’s Autopilot (I’ve owned 5 Tesla’s across 7 years including a Model 3 Performance)
3) I go back and forth - I use Porsche NAV when I’m estimating battery consumption for the trip - I use Carplay when I simply want a trip computer to estimate time of arrival
4) no comment on the build since porsche codes don’t load on an iPad and I’m too lazy to look at your build on my desktop

if you plan to keep the vehicle a long time I recommend getting the options you want since a few years from now the incremental cost wil be a distant memory but you’ll have the option every day when you get in the vehicle - Porsche’s get incrementally better with each option and build a whole picture of the vehicle that really enhances the ownership experience.

 

[Silveral]

I cannot help a lot, but without a doubt Innodrive is not comparable to Autopilot under any circumstance. I was used to the self driving feature of my S Class, but I NEVER use ACC and Innodrive on the Taycan. Just way behind and it wants yo be driven

 

[Henke]

Hi all,

Yes, another Tesla post. I currently have a Model 3 Performance, which works 'fine', but I am missing the connection to the car a bit. I like the tech they provide, and the Auto Pilot, but it's not a car that has me looking back to see if my hard earned money is safe. Another thing which annoys me in the Model 3 is the cabin noise, especially on Dutch highways. Which is why I started looking into the Taycan. I love the way it looks, especially on the back with the tail light. My test drive is scheduled for next week, so curious to see what I think.

My plan would be to keep this vehicle for a long time.

Anyhow, let me start by sharing the build:

http://www.porsche-code.com/PM34VYB2

I have been drooling quite some time over the Carmine Red option which sadly is one of the premium colors with regards to price. Ah well.

Some questions I hope you can help me out with.

1) I selected the default interior, but opinions seem to be split about the full leather. Would you say it is worth it. I am not trying to overspend by much, but I'd rather spend an extra 3k and be totally happy. Problem is this can be said for many options.

2) Opinions on InnoDrive as compared to Autopilot seem just as mixed, how is the autonomous driving in the highway. I have quite some commute so this is a real must and might be a reason to stick with the Tesla as of now.

3) For navigation, do most of you stick with the built-in or move to Apple Carplay?

4) Anything on the build I am missing or you would skip?

I am looking into the Taycan RWD just basically budget wise, since the 4S would increase the build by an extra 20k which is a bit much honestly. I honestly do not care that much about 0-60 (or 100 km/h in my case) but bought the performance since it is the best looking out of the bunch, as far as a Tesla goes.

I am going from a model S to a 4S but don’t have it yet. I’ll do my best to give my opinion:

1) Personal choice but having seen the interior, I think the $4k dollars is a bit of a waste of money.

2) ACC is good but innodrive is not Tesla AP, not even close.

3) Don’t know yet but I suspect I will use CarPlay mostly and Porsche Nav when going for a charge to precondition the battery

4) I can’t read Dutch so not sure what options you are picking. Seems like you missed premium pack which I think is a must have. L

I did a couple of test drives and after that, it was hard to go back to the Tesla. Much much nicer car to drive, much more comfortable but that does come at the cost of a couple of features which are not as good. Tesla has better software, OTA update process and AP.

 

[tomtom901]

4) I can’t read Dutch so not sure what options you are picking. Seems like you missed premium pack which I think is a must have. L

Ah, sorry, did not know the configurator does not translate. Dutch builds do not have packs, sadly. Here's it summed up:

Exterior
SportDesign sideskirts Porsche Exclusive Manufaktur
Folding mirrors
High gloss black window skirts
No model
Privacy glass

Chassis
Performance+ battery
Powersteering plus

Interior:
8 way seats
Heated seats front
Light design package

Comfort
Acc + Innodrive
Surround view parking
Lane change assist (light in mirror / blind spot monitoring)

E-performance
Heat pump

For a build of about 110k euro, ~130k usd.

 

[DerekS]

1) I selected the default interior, but opinions seem to be split about the full leather. Would you say it is worth it. I am not trying to overspend by much, but I'd rather spend an extra 3k and be totally happy. Problem is this can be said for many options.

I've found "full" leather is expensive overkill in general on Porsches. You won't have a crappy or cheap feeling interior if you skip it.

2) Opinions on InnoDrive as compared to Autopilot seem just as mixed, how is the autonomous driving in the highway. I have quite some commute so this is a real must and might be a reason to stick with the Tesla as of now.

Well understand InnoDrive is only part of it. As I understand things:

Active Lane Keeping: Auto steer, like Tesla autopilot.
InnoDrive: Active speed adjustment based on speed limit signs and curves

I've been using ALK and ACC when I go into "autopilot." I do not like the harsh speed changes InnoDrive performs. It's not as good as Tesla's but it's close. The one thing I really dislike is that it can cut out at any time and it does so with NO alert. I give Tesla autopilot maybe 80% trust...Porsche ALK I give about 30%.

3) For navigation, do most of you stick with the built-in or move to Apple Carplay?

I've been sticking with the built-in. I like that it pops up turns on the dash, and the dash has the map view.

4) Anything on the build I am missing or you would skip?

I would drop InnoDrive. You can test InnoDrive and ALK using Features on Demand when you get the car - they are available for a monthly fee or a flat fee for life. Both have a 3 month free trial.

I would strongly encourage the Sport Chrono (so you get Sport+ mode) and the Electric Sport Sound which is a lot more fun than you'd think. You did choose the plus battery which is the biggest must-have IMO.

I am looking into the Taycan RWD just basically budget wise, since the 4S would increase the build by an extra 20k which is a bit much honestly. I honestly do not care that much about 0-60 (or 100 km/h in my case) but bought the performance since it is the best looking out of the bunch, as far as a Tesla goes.

My wife has a 2018 LR Model 3 and I find it faster off the line than the Taycan RWD. Your performance 3 will be LIGHT YEARS faster than the Taycan RWD. That said, the RWD is plenty quick and feels great to drive.

 

[tomtom901]

Active Lane Keeping: Auto steer, like Tesla autopilot.
InnoDrive: Active speed adjustment based on speed limit signs and curves

I've been using ALK and ACC when I go into "autopilot." I do not like the harsh speed changes InnoDrive performs. It's not as good as Tesla's but it's close. The one thing I really dislike is that it can cut out at any time and it does so with NO alert. I give Tesla autopilot maybe 80% trust...Porsche ALK I give about 30%.

Is ALK a seperate option (in the US?). I only see the blind spot monitor, ALK seems to be included only in the innodrive package?

 

[benver]

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InnoDrive: Optional Active speed adjustment based on speed limit signs and curves when using navigation
...

The speed adjustment can be turned off and I do advise to do that to prevent brake-testing your predecessor. Doing 130km/hr in the evening and approaching 70km/hr road work will more or less slam the brakes the moment Innodrive "sees" the sign.

 

[DerekS]

The speed adjustment can be turned off and I do advise to do that to prevent brake-testing your predecessor. Doing 130km/hr in the evening and approaching 70km/hr road work will more or less slam the brakes the moment Innodrive "sees" the sign.

If I kill the speed adjustment, what else does InnoDrive do?

 

[Kingske]

Hi all,

Yes, another Tesla post. I currently have a Model 3 Performance, which works 'fine', but I am missing the connection to the car a bit. I like the tech they provide, and the Auto Pilot, but it's not a car that has me looking back to see if my hard earned money is safe. Another thing which annoys me in the Model 3 is the cabin noise, especially on Dutch highways. Which is why I started looking into the Taycan. I love the way it looks, especially on the back with the tail light. My test drive is scheduled for next week, so curious to see what I think.

My plan would be to keep this vehicle for a long time.

Anyhow, let me start by sharing the build:

http://www.porsche-code.com/PM34VYB2

I have been drooling quite some time over the Carmine Red option which sadly is one of the premium colors with regards to price. Ah well.

Some questions I hope you can help me out with.

1) I selected the default interior, but opinions seem to be split about the full leather. Would you say it is worth it. I am not trying to overspend by much, but I'd rather spend an extra 3k and be totally happy. Problem is this can be said for many options.

2) Opinions on InnoDrive as compared to Autopilot seem just as mixed, how is the autonomous driving in the highway. I have quite some commute so this is a real must and might be a reason to stick with the Tesla as of now.

3) For navigation, do most of you stick with the built-in or move to Apple Carplay?

4) Anything on the build I am missing or you would skip?

I am looking into the Taycan RWD just basically budget wise, since the 4S would increase the build by an extra 20k which is a bit much honestly. I honestly do not care that much about 0-60 (or 100 km/h in my case) but bought the performance since it is the best looking out of the bunch, as far as a Tesla goes.

Although not inexpensive, the full leather interior is worth it IMHO. InnoDrive probably not. I tend to use the in-built navigation but CarPlay works fine too. Veel geluk met je aankoop. Ik ben alvast erg gelukkig met de mijne.

 

[kort]

I cannot help a lot, but without a doubt Innodrive is not comparable to Autopilot under any circumstance. I was used to the self driving feature of my S Class, but I NEVER use ACC and Innodrive on the Taycan. Just way behind and it wants yo be driven

innodrive is far from AP but I use innodrive on long highway drives. the constant nagging from both systems makes using the system annoying. when AP1 first came out I could drive many miles without a nag. and I detested navigate on AP, I make better decisions than the car does.
so while innodrive isn't "as good" as AP if you accept it for what it is, a driving assist, innodrive is just fine for me.

 

[kort]

If I kill the speed adjustment, what else does InnoDrive do?

keeps you in your lane

 

[DerekS]

keeps you in your lane

But that's what ALK does. I have InnoDrive turned off completely and ALK keeps you in your lane.

 

[schad]

Is ALK a seperate option (in the US?). I only see the blind spot monitor, ALK seems to be included only in the innodrive package?

Yes and no. When building the car, you can only order it with both ALK and Innodrive. But if you order the car with ACC but not ALK/Innodrive, you can then get ALK and Innodrive separately from FoD.

Check FoD in your country if you want to go this route. I believe that the availability of FoD features varies by country!

 

[XLR82XS]

1) I selected the default interior, but opinions seem to be split about the full leather. Would you say it is worth it. I am not trying to overspend by much, but I'd rather spend an extra 3k and be totally happy. Problem is this can be said for many options.

2) Opinions on InnoDrive as compared to Autopilot seem just as mixed, how is the autonomous driving in the highway. I have quite some commute so this is a real must and might be a reason to stick with the Tesla as of now.

3) For navigation, do most of you stick with the built-in or move to Apple Carplay?

4) Anything on the build I am missing or you would skip?

I am looking into the Taycan RWD just basically budget wise, since the 4S would increase the build by an extra 20k which is a bit much honestly. I honestly do not care that much about 0-60 (or 100 km/h in my case) but bought the performance since it is the best looking out of the bunch, as far as a Tesla goes.

I ordered a RWD April 1 this year. Love it! Came from a 2020 Model 3 (daily driver duty)
1) leather interior 100% worth it!

2) Skip innodrive as you won't like it comparted to EAP.

3) built-in GPS

4) didnt look at build but my must haves: any wheels over standard 19" wheels, pano roof, P+ battery, air suspension, chrono, ambient lighting, crest in seats & console lid. (i have white w/red interior)

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