Best home charger (post-Porsche changes to charging rate)

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What are the best home chargers to plug into a NEMA 14-50 (to get ~11kw/hr charge) nowadays? I know Porsche halved the max draw rate using the standard Porsche charger, so I am assuming I cannot rely on that one anymore or else I'll be stuck getting ~5kw/hr.
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What are the best home chargers to plug into a NEMA 14-50 (to get ~11kw/hr charge) nowadays? I know Porsche halved the max draw rate using the standard Porsche charger, so I am assuming I cannot rely on that one anymore or else I'll be stuck getting ~5kw/hr.
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ChargePoint
WallBox
Tesla J-1772 Wall Charger
Juicebox
Blink

any of these will do the job.
 

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What are the best home chargers to plug into a NEMA 14-50 (to get ~11kw/hr charge) nowadays? I know Porsche halved the max draw rate using the standard Porsche charger, so I am assuming I cannot rely on that one anymore or else I'll be stuck getting ~5kw/hr.
small correction - the fastest charge rate you can get with _ANY_ plug-in EV charger (EVSE) is 9.6 kW - not 11 kW as you noted above.

anything greater than 9.6 kW requires a hardwired EVSE due to North American residential building code restrictions…to get 11 kW charge rate is a 48 amp EVSE with a 60 amp breaker (and appropriate wire gauge) which is a hardwired (not plug based) EVSE.

maximum charge rate for ALL NEMA 14-50/6-50 EVSE's is 9.6 kW - that is math-matically the maximum rate of any/all 240V/50 amp circuits (down rated to 40 amps for continuous load as required by north american residential building codes)

the vast majority of 40 amp EVSE's with 14-50/6-50 plugs will deliver 9.6 kW reliably with very little drama and greater reliability vs. the Porsche EVSE's.

Porsche's EVSE is unique in the North American market with it's normal operating temperatures…
 
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I've been happy with my Wallbox Pulsar Plus 40amp. Had it for over a year. It's on a 50 amp breaker.
YouTube review here:
That State of Charge YouTube channel reviews lots of them.
I am running the 48A version of this. Works well, no issues.
 

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I went with ChargePoint Home Flex EV charger at 48A.



Electric company offered a purchase and installation rebate to reduce the cost slightly. Tested it out on a friend's Ioniq 5 and it's ready to go for whenever my Taycan arrives...
 

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What are the best home chargers to plug into a NEMA 14-50 (to get ~11kw/hr charge) nowadays? I know Porsche halved the max draw rate using the standard Porsche charger, so I am assuming I cannot rely on that one anymore or else I'll be stuck getting ~5kw/hr.
Before you throw away your Porsche charger …

I recently got the 'dealer upgrade' on the charger and pretty confusing sticker. The default on my Porsche charging unit has been 20 amps/hr. for several months since it is wifi connected. However, I've found I can adjust the charging rate to 40 amp on the unit very easily. Since I charge manually (rather than plug in every night) the only issue for my setup would be if the plugs/unit got real hot. They don't even get particularly warm. I believe I'm having no problems because guys who installed my NEMA, etc. did a great job and used high quality parts.
 


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Before you throw away your Porsche charger …

I recently got the 'dealer upgrade' on the charger and pretty confusing sticker. The default on my Porsche charging unit has been 20 amps/hr. for several months since it is wifi connected. However, I've found I can adjust the charging rate to 40 amp on the unit very easily. Since I charge manually (rather than plug in every night) the only issue for my setup would be if the plugs/unit got real hot. They don't even get particularly warm. I believe I'm having no problems because guys who installed my NEMA, etc. did a great job and used high quality parts.
Similarly, I decided to take the Porsche NA notice literally and had my electrician verify the specs of what he installed against Porsche requirements. According to the latest bulletin from Porsche its perfectly safe to charge at 100% if you have a NEMA grade outlet installed (along with other specs they provided). So I am sticking with the charger they included in the vehicle, charging at 100%, and having no issues.

I don't understand why so many owners have flocked to third party products.
 

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I don't understand why so many owners have flocked to third party products.
Because the EVSE that Porsche provided was failing to charge my car due to it overheating. The fix Porsche provided was to put a sticker on the EVSE and set the charge rate to 1/2 of what it was originally capable of. Now do you understand?
 
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Because the EVSE that Porsche provided was failing to charge my car due to it overheating. The fix Porsche provided was to put a sticker on the EVSE and set the charge rate to 1/2 of what it was originally capable of. Or do you understand?
my understanding is that some owners did not follow the specs and Porsche tried to protect the vehicles by having you cut back the rate of charge. I followed that advice as well but then compared the latest bulletin to the specs of my unit and found it to be in compliance, so I went back to 100%. You obviously don't need or benefit from a sticker, and you can set the rate to 50 or 100% on your own. Of course you need to verify your electrical system is in compliance with their specs first.
 

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Some utilities have rebates if you allow them to throttle the EVSE during times of peak demand. If you are interested in this, you’d need to get an EVSE that can work with your utilty. In my case, it was specific models from ChargePoint or Juicebox. Throttling is very unlikely if you are charging overnight, so I went with the ChargePoint Home Flex.
 

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my understanding is that some owners did not follow the specs and Porsche tried to protect the vehicles by having you cut back the rate of charge. I followed that advice as well but then compared the latest bulletin to the specs of my unit and found it to be in compliance, so I went back to 100%. You obviously don't need or benefit from a sticker, and you can set the rate to 50 or 100% on your own. Of course you need to verify your electrical system is in compliance with their specs first.
Have you considered that your understanding might be wrong? My wiring is to spec and I’m using an industrial grade outlet. The new EVSE (non-Porsche) has been flawless and has been in operation longer than the Porsche EVSE was. Until that EVSE fails I’ll consider this problem resolved with the Porsche EVSE as the root cause.
 

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my understanding is that some owners did not follow the specs and Porsche tried to protect the vehicles by having you cut back the rate of charge. I followed that advice as well but then compared the latest bulletin to the specs of my unit and found it to be in compliance, so I went back to 100%. You obviously don't need or benefit from a sticker, and you can set the rate to 50 or 100% on your own. Of course you need to verify your electrical system is in compliance with their specs first.
your understanding is mostly wrong - porsche is wrong and they are deflecting blame on the victim - the specs are necessary because Porsche mis-designed their power supply cable to run hotter than you'd drink your coffee - other EVSE's don't get this hot when running the same charging loads - in fact Porsche is the only EVSE in North America that runs this hot - the spec's mitigate Porsche's requirements to accommodate a product that runs 160F surface temperature in normal operation vs. competitive products that don't get much above 105F or even less in identical situations…

yes if you follow Porsche's specification their power supply cable will no longer melt the NEMA 14-50 socket it's plugged into - but it doesn't have to be that way - competitive products do not stress the NEMA socket as much as the porsche product…

following Porsche's specification does not change the fact that their product runs much much hotter than necessary - it simple means that their poor design will no longer induce failures in other aspects of the system - however if properly designed the porsche product would not have induced those failures in the first place.

also keep in mind it is they who released a tech bulletin and software update that basically nerfs their product to 50% of it's specified rate - and while you can override it - the PMCC will default back to the 50% rate after each power cycle…but not the PMC+ - but I believe the PMC+ would also default to 50% if Porsche had the ability to modify it's firmware (which they don't) - so Porsche let's an indecipherable sticker stand in for their lack of a firmware update.

personally I prefer an EVSE that runs cooler than 150F in normal/expected operation, doesn't require an indecipherable sticker, and doesn't achieve an operational surface temperature in normal operation that is considered legally scalding hot if water of the same temperature was allowed to touch a child's skin…

there is no reason Porsche needs their power supply cable to achieve temperatures of 162F in normal operation in 65F ambient conditions…other EVSE's that use appropriate wire gauge run much much cooler decreasing the likely hood of melting the socket they are plugged into…

but yeah the Hubble NEMA 14-50 socket is ceramic vs. plastic so it can handle 160F+ operating temperatures which the Porsche EVSE commonly achieves in less than one hour of normal operation…so it's a great choice if you to pair it with an EVSE that doubles as a space heater/hot-plate.

Porsche Taycan Best home charger (post-Porsche changes to charging rate) Temp Measurements Porsche Charger 2
 
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your understanding is mostly wrong - porsche is wrong and they are deflecting blame on the victim - the specs are necessary because Porsche mis-designed their power supply cable to run hotter than you'd drink your coffee - other EVSE's don't get this hot when running the same charging loads - in fact Porsche is the only EVSE in North America that runs this hot - the spec's mitigate Porsche's requirements to accommodate a product that runs 160F surface temperature in normal operation vs. competitive products that don't get much above 105F or even less in identical situations…

yes if you follow Porsche's specification their power supply cable will no longer melt the NEMA 14-50 socket it's plugged into - but it doesn't have to be that way - competitive products do not stress the NEMA socket as much as the porsche product…

following Porsche's specification does not change the fact that their product runs much much hotter than necessary - it simple means that their poor design will no longer induce failures in other aspects of the system - however if properly designed the porsche product would not have induced those failures in the first place.

also keep in mind it is they who released a tech bulletin and software update that basically nerfs their product to 50% of it's specified rate - and while you can override it - the PMCC will default back to the 50% rate after each power cycle…

personally I prefer an EVSE that runs cooler than 150F in normal/expected operation, doesn't require an indecipherable sticker, and doesn't obtain a surface termperature in normal operation that is considered officially scalding hot if water was the same temperature…

there is no reason Porsche needs their power supply cable to achieve temperatures of 162F in normal operation…other EVSE's that use appropriate wire gauge run much much cooler lessening the likely hood of melting the socket they are plugged into…

but yeah the Hubble NEMA 14-50 socket is ceramic vs. plastic so it can handle 160F+ operating temperatures which the Porsche EVSE commonly achieves in less than one hour of normal operation…so it's a great choice if you to pair it with an EVSE that doubles as a space heater/hot-plate.

Temp Measurements Porsche Charger 2.jpg
Thanks for the detail you provided. In my case, with the charger that came free, I don't have to manually reset it to 100% after each charge. It stays at 100% each time.
 
 




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