Charging Dock/Station Cabinet - Porsche (7PP-915-706)

[Jhenson29]

Since this happens so infrequently, I'm not sure it is a real issue.

Happens infrequently to you or to other people?

I’ll let you hash out whether or not it’s a real issue with the people making numerous reports on here about it overheating…

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[Chedman13]

Hi all - I greatly appreciate all the feedback so I (and others) can make an informed decision.

So far to prepare for delivery of my Taycan:

1. Setup on one side of my garage.
   • This setup is for "aesthetics" and winter storage. I'll be using the Porsche Mobile Charger Connect ($1,120 option) with 8 foot standard cable (not my choice or else I would have ordered the 25 foot cable). Ordered 7PP-915-706.
   • I'm informed by my dealer there is only "one" cabinet and it's that part number (even though I can see on Suncoast there are 3 options), so we'll see when I get it. The part number matches Tequipment catalog they have for my VIN.
   • I plan on setting up the PMCC at low AMPS (again I'm still not 100% sure on terminology and still doing my own education). I believe 32 AMPS or less so everything stays cooler.
   • It's pretty clear this things overheats or gets hots - I would say that's a fact. Any electronics that is in an overheated/heated environment deteriorates faster.
   • I plan on installing a 14-50 outlet with the thickest gauge wire my installer can handle 4 AWG (preferred) or 6 AWG. I also will see if he can use a 100 amp breaker to future proof.
2. Setup on the other side of my garage.
   1. This is for more frequent use. Again, will install another 14-50 outlet for universality with 4 AWG or 6 AWG wire and up to 100 amp breaker to future proof.
   2. This is where I'm still trying to figure out what to buy. I've narrowed it down to:
      • https://www.electrifyhome.com/
        • $649.00 and available now
        • Wifi - HomeStation features the Electrify America app
        • 24 ft cable
        • Tested and Certified to meet UL standards for safety (UL 2594, UL 2231-1&2)
        • @daveo4EV - any thoughts on this one or the Modified Gen 3 Tesla below
      • https://www.chargepoint.com/drivers/home/chargepoint-home-flex/
        • $699 - backordered (or premium at Amazon)
        • Wifi
        • 23 ft cable
        • UL listed for electrical safety, ENERGY STAR certified for efficiency.
      • http://www.umc-j1772.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=96
        • I considered this modified Gen 3 Telsa WALL48 Tesla HPWC Conversion for Porsche Taycan
        • I think I lose true Wifi capabilities as I can only connect to it at home or near the unit? Because the manual says I can't connect it to internet or else Tesla will send it updates that will make it inoperable.
        • $699.95
   3. Hotels/Chargers/Traveling
      • http://www.umc-j1772.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=17&product_id=160
      • Tesla Mini Tap 80 AMP (to future proof, 60 AMP is sufficient for most).
      • http://www.umc-j1772.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=17&product_id=148
      • Case for Mini Adapter - except it out of stock.
      • two padlocks from UMC-j1772 to secure the minitap.

I'll create another thread on this, but so far ordered:

1. OEM all-weather mats
2. OEM front trunk and rear trunk crates/bins/mats
3. OEM Porsche Universal folding bin
4. OEM front trunk warning triangle
5. OEM projector lights for front and rear doors
6. OEM Charging Dock
7. OEM touch-up paint (just to have on hand)
8. OEM 21" Mission E wheels from another member here (thanks!!) - I was going to get TechArt wheels but they are in Germany and won't be here until January 2022 unless I pay for express shipping.
9. OEM sunshade
10. Aftermarket Suncoast screen protector set

Appointment is scheduled for:

1. 90% coverage of Xpel
2. Window Tint - Front (80% or clearer), side (35%), rear (35%) (not doing panoramic sunroof - thanks to the comments on this forum)
3. On the fence of ceramic coating. My last one lasted 6 months and it's cheaper getting a full standard wax job every few months. Plus I get a full detail inside and out. Ceramic coatings though have come a long way. PS I use automatic car washes that are free at my dealership. Yes, I know they scratch - hence the PPF.

 

[daveo4EV]

Hi all - I greatly appreciate all the feedback so I (and others) can make an informed decision.

So far to prepare for delivery of my Taycan:

1. Setup on one side of my garage.
   • This setup is for "aesthetics" and winter storage. I'll be using the Porsche Mobile Charger Connect ($1,120 option) with 8 foot standard cable (not my choice or else I would have ordered the 25 foot cable). Ordered 7PP-915-706.
   • I'm informed by my dealer there is only "one" cabinet and it's that part number (even though I can see on Suncoast there are 3 options), so we'll see when I get it. The part number matches Tequipment catalog they have for my VIN.
   • I plan on setting up the PMCC at low AMPS (again I'm still not 100% sure on terminology and still doing my own education). I believe 32 AMPS or less so everything stays cooler.
   • It's pretty clear this things overheats or gets hots - I would say that's a fact. Any electronics that is in an overheated/heated environment deteriorates faster.
   • I plan on installing a 14-50 outlet with the thickest gauge wire my installer can handle 4 AWG (preferred) or 6 AWG. I also will see if he can use a 100 amp breaker to future proof.
2. Setup on the other side of my garage.
   1. This is for more frequent use. Again, will install another 14-50 outlet for universality with 4 AWG or 6 AWG wire and up to 100 amp breaker to future proof.
   2. This is where I'm still trying to figure out what to buy. I've narrowed it down to:
      • https://www.electrifyhome.com/
        • $649.00 and available now
        • Wifi - HomeStation features the Electrify America app
        • 24 ft cable
        • Tested and Certified to meet UL standards for safety (UL 2594, UL 2231-1&2)
        • @daveo4EV - any thoughts on this one or the Modified Gen 3 Tesla below
      • https://www.chargepoint.com/drivers/home/chargepoint-home-flex/
        • $699 - backordered (or premium at Amazon)
        • Wifi
        • 23 ft cable
        • UL listed for electrical safety, ENERGY STAR certified for efficiency.
      • http://www.umc-j1772.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=96
        • I considered this modified Gen 3 Telsa WALL48 Tesla HPWC Conversion for Porsche Taycan
        • I think I lose true Wifi capabilities as I can only connect to it at home or near the unit? Because the manual says I can't connect it to internet or else Tesla will send it updates that will make it inoperable.
        • $699.95
   3. Hotels/Chargers/Traveling
      • http://www.umc-j1772.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=17&product_id=160
      • Tesla Mini Tap 80 AMP (to future proof, 60 AMP is sufficient for most).
      • http://www.umc-j1772.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=17&product_id=148
      • Case for Mini Adapter - except it out of stock.
      • two padlocks from UMC-j1772 to secure the minitap.

I'll create another thread on this, but so far ordered:

1. OEM all-weather mats
2. OEM front trunk and rear trunk crates/bins/mats
3. OEM Porsche Universal folding bin
4. OEM front trunk warning triangle
5. OEM projector lights for front and rear doors
6. OEM Charging Dock
7. OEM touch-up paint (just to have on hand)
8. OEM 21" Mission E wheels from another member here (thanks!!) - I was going to get TechArt wheels but they are in Germany and won't be here until January 2022 unless I pay for express shipping.
9. OEM sunshade
10. Aftermarket Suncoast screen protector set

Appointment is scheduled for:

1. 90% coverage of Xpel
2. Window Tint - Front (80% or clearer), side (35%), rear (35%) (not doing panoramic sunroof - thanks to the comments on this forum)
3. On the fence of ceramic coating. My last one lasted 6 months and it's cheaper getting a full standard wax job every few months. Plus I get a full detail inside and out. Ceramic coatings though have come a long way. PS I use automatic car washes that are free at my dealership. Yes, I know they scratch - hence the PPF.

the Gen3 Wall Charger are 48 amp max (60 amp breaker) and have “promised” load sharing for over a year now with no firmware updates - instead of the Tesla I’d suggest either the ChargePoint/ClipperCreek or others that meet your needs.

 

[hkarthik]

This has been a super helpful thread, thanks all who participated! I'm getting a 2021 Taycan 4S delivered in a few weeks so I've been trying to figure out what my garage charging setup will look like.

My car was not spec'd with PMCC, and I looked at other charging options but nearly everything recommended appears to be backordered. I ended up getting a PMCC from another member who didn't need it, for a better price than any of the other non-Porsche chargers with similar features like wifi. Knowing so much about its quirks based on other forum posts helped me decide it's the lowest friction route to go.

I'm still torn on the charging dock. It seems egregious to charge $800 for what appears to be a glorified plastic mount. Plus the fact that it overheats the PMCC unless you run it under current pisses me off even more. I admit it looks slick, a lot more than a wall mounted PMCC with a bike hook hanging off the wall to wrap the 25 foot charging cable around. But I don't know if it's worth the price of a new iPhone.

 

[Jhenson29]

My car was not spec'd with PMCC, and I looked at other charging options but nearly everything recommended appears to be backordered. I ended up getting a PMCC from another member who didn't need it, for a better price than any of the other non-Porsche chargers with similar features like wifi.

Any reason you didn’t want to just use the PMC+ that comes with the car?

 

[Jhenson29]

I plan on installing a 14-50 outlet with the thickest gauge wire my installer can handle 4 AWG (preferred) or 6 AWG. I also will see if he can use a 100 amp breaker to future proof.

You’ll want the 14-50 receptacles on 50A breaker, not 100A, because the 14-50 receptacle is not rated for 100A

4AWG is overkill for a 14-50, especially running an EVSE, 6AWG is fine. Unless you’re going a really long distance. But you’re electrician will be able to inform you of that.

I know I’ve seen Dave suggest larger wire for future proofing, but here’s my reasoning.

You’re running two receptacles into your garage. The only reason to try and upsize the wire for future proofing is if the source is very far away. And if it is, then you’d probably be better off with just one feed to a sub panel in the garage and then branch out from there. And you may be better off doing that regardless (that’s what I did and my main is only 8 or 9 feet away, straight down in the basement).

So, upsizing the wire on two feeds seems unnecessary. If you have that capacity, I would run a 200A sub panel in the garage and then two 50A feeds for the receptacles from there.

Or if you don’t have that capacity, then downsize as needed. I have a 125A subpanel in my garage (my main is 200A…I wasn’t going to get a 200A sub for my gagage…?).

Just my two cents.

 

[hkarthik]

Any reason you didn’t want to just use the PMC+ that comes with the car?

It wasn't clear to me if you could do faster charging with a NEMA 14-50 outlet with the PMC+. Seemed like it only supported slow 3 prong A/C charging. Is this correct?

Either way, I wanted a charger on the wall to charge at home within 4 hours, with something smaller for the road.

 

[daveo4EV]

It wasn't clear to me if you could do faster charging with a NEMA 14-50 outlet with the PMC+. Seemed like it only supported slow 3 prong A/C charging. Is this correct?

Either way, I wanted a charger on the wall to charge at home within 4 hours, with something smaller for the road.

both the PMCC and PMC+ support 9.6 kW/40 amp charging on a 240V 50 amp circuit - they are identical in speed of charging.

 

[Jhenson29]

It wasn't clear to me if you could do faster charging with a NEMA 14-50 outlet with the PMC+. Seemed like it only supported slow 3 prong A/C charging. Is this correct?

Either way, I wanted a charger on the wall to charge at home within 4 hours, with something smaller for the road.

Yeah, what Dave said. Both are 9.6kW.

Either one will probably net you something around 40% to 45% in 4 hours.

 

[DNADoc]

I HAVE A CHARGING STATION DOCK FOR YOU!

Chedman, I got my 2021 4S in March. I previously had a Panamera E-Hybrid so I had a charging station already in my garage. In turns out, that although the Taycan Charger is slightly bigger than the Panamera charger and of course the cables are thicker because of the increased amperage. However, the Taycan Charger could be jammed into the Panamera Case and I didn't want to drill new holes in my garage wall.....so to make a long story short, I have the Taycan Charger Case sitting in my storage area under my stair and would be happy to negotiate with you rather than paying a crazy retail price.

Buck

 

[kruzmisl]

You’ll want the 14-50 receptacles on 50A breaker, not 100A, because the 14-50 receptacle is not rated for 100A

4AWG is overkill for a 14-50, especially running an EVSE, 6AWG is fine. Unless you’re going a really long distance. But you’re electrician will be able to inform you of that.

I know I’ve seen Dave suggest larger wire for future proofing, but here’s my reasoning.

You’re running two receptacles into your garage. The only reason to try and upsize the wire for future proofing is if the source is very far away. And if it is, then you’d probably be better off with just one feed to a sub panel in the garage and then branch out from there. And you may be better off doing that regardless (that’s what I did and my main is only 8 or 9 feet away, straight down in the basement).

So, upsizing the wire on two feeds seems unnecessary. If you have that capacity, I would run a 200A sub panel in the garage and then two 50A feeds for the receptacles from there.

Or if you don’t have that capacity, then downsize as needed. I have a 125A subpanel in my garage (my main is 200A…I wasn’t going to get a 200A sub for my gagage…?).

Just my two cents.

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You’ll want the 14-50 receptacles on 50A breaker, not 100A, because the 14-50 receptacle is not rated for 100A

4AWG is overkill for a 14-50, especially running an EVSE, 6AWG is fine. Unless you’re going a really long distance. But you’re electrician will be able to inform you of that.

I know I’ve seen Dave suggest larger wire for future proofing, but here’s my reasoning.

You’re running two receptacles into your garage. The only reason to try and upsize the wire for future proofing is if the source is very far away. And if it is, then you’d probably be better off with just one feed to a sub panel in the garage and then branch out from there. And you may be better off doing that regardless (that’s what I did and my main is only 8 or 9 feet away, straight down in the basement).

So, upsizing the wire on two feeds seems unnecessary. If you have that capacity, I would run a 200A sub panel in the garage and then two 50A feeds for the receptacles from there.

Or if you don’t have that capacity, then downsize as needed. I have a 125A subpanel in my garage (my main is 200A…I wasn’t going to get a 200A sub for my gagage…?).

Just my two cents.

I agree with Jeremy about the wire. I needed a "permit" and inspection for my set up 5 years ago. While I only had a plug in hybrid, i had a good charger, and my original install let me move up to the Porsche charger .

Here is what I posted on another thread. Do it right the first time and you'll be happy:

I am not an electrician! The following is based on the US "car configerator" for the Porsche charger. EU might be different. The "Supply cable" (from charger to the wall socket) is FREE on the order form. What's important is the plug (there are dozens of completely different configuration) and wire type of this cable. It's really short, so you have to have the charger right at the wall socket. The socket location might not be able to be close to the car. And IF you order the Porsche "Dock"(Which holds the charger inside for outside or secure, or just cool looking instals) the rear of the box needs to OVER the socket. You need to determine what cable is in your wall, to match it with the specifications of the Supply cable. Options shown are the NEMA 6-50 or the NEMA 14-30, (It looks like the 2021 option of the NEMA 14-50, has been replaced by the NEMA 14-30. That appears to be a 30 AMP rated rather than a 50 AMP. THe chargers run 10 AMP below the max for safety. SO my 6-50 does run at 40.3 amps. (SO Maybe the charger on a NEMA 14-30 only runs at 20 AMPs.?) But it's best if you get the same connector as the wire in the wall, to avoid using adapters. My trusted electrician has installed dozens of chargers, and said the NEMA 6-50 is the way to go, over the 14-50, or 14-30. The 30 AMP is typically what clothes dryers and electric ovens run on. My run of 6-50 AMP rated wire has 3 wires instead of 4 that the 14-50 would have. The cable is therefore thinner, more flexible, and much less expensive. I had to run mine about 100 feet to the fuse box. SO order the connector that matches the wire type you plan to use in your wall. If you already have a charger, see what the socket is and what the wire is, and match it if you want to change to the Porsche charger with the quickest charging . You can't put out a fire with a garden hose, so bigger is better.

Also at the other end of the charger, I would get the FREE 25' Charging cable, that goes from the charger to the car, since having a 220 line installed is expensive and one location might be much easier to install, but the "FREE" 15' cord might not reach. My charger is behind the car, and there is only about 6' left over using the 25' cable. Ive been traveling where the plug required the longer cable. Obviously it's better to clarify all this before you order, but maybe the dealer will swap cords if necessary, since they just snap in or out of the charger.

 

[Chedman13]

Quick shout out to @DNADoc for the charging station dock purchase. Great to deal with and helped a fellow Taycan owner out.

Now I have an overpriced, overheating, under gauged wire charger that looks nice in the garage.

I believe my main charger, I'm going to try out the Electrify HomeStation because the Charge Point I wanted is on backorder. https://www.electrifyhome.com/homestation

On the road, I'm thinking of getting this plus the adapter kit - I just got a notification it's back in stock.
https://shop.tesla.com/product/gen-2-mobile-connector-bundle

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