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Thanks for your answers [email protected], PanamaraFrank and Chris 911.
I do have cars that I use year-round, Cayenne Turbo 2014 and 997.2 Targa4S (it's 12th winter !). With good 12V batteries there is no issue. Even the 911 is actually quite fun in winter (it's AWD) except in winter storms. But I have been getting crazy looks for 12 winters for using a 911 in winter over here :)

As I already got summer cars (Boxster S 2004 and GT4: I cannot even get out of my inclined driveway in winter due to poor winter traction with snow tires) I do not want a summer only Taycan. If I cannot take it to the cabin in winter, it would not be very useful.

I have doubts about EV around here due to our climate, but the government has announced a ban on new ICE cars for 2035. So being an engineer I am thinking about getting one to form my own opinion. But first I have to make sure I would not damage the battery right away if I leave the EV outside at -30°C for multiple days unplug. I will certainly get horrible range, but it is part of the experiment I guess. And I do have the heated garage at home where I can thaw all my cars regularly, as they do all froze up over time (yes windshield washer nodes, wipers, mirrors, sensors, you name it !)
I am in Minnesota where it’s below 0C for at least half of the year. My Taycan has been my daily driver since September (after an interminable wait!). I find it absolutely phenomenal in the cold with great handling and the lovely precook/heat timers coupled with being able to hit the button at unscheduled stops (like going into the store for a while, and come out to a luxuriously warm car). The mileage definitely takes a hit but that’s something that can be accommodated (most people drive less than 30 miles per day, and for long vacation drives it definitely requires extra planning).





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Happy New Year everyone! Hope that 2021 resolves both COVID-19 and Taycan crap software (two VERY different category of problems, have to admit... :D).

I promised to update how our road trip to Northern Finland for holidays went, so below some stats and observations:

Vehicle: Taycan 4S with Performance Battery+ (i.e. gross 93.4 kWh)

Tyres: Nokian Hakkapeliitta R3 (=no studs) 245/45R20 103R (Rear pair: XL) with 2.8 bars (40.6 psi) and wheels: Nitro Tourismo FF (20 spokes) = regular, not aero (see the attached pic).

Pax and cargo load: max 350 kg (skis went with our ICE Audi :whew:)

Driving mode(s): Continuously on Range.
Switched to Normal (=4WD and increased ground clearance because of snow) only when passing other cars - which I did quite a lot, have to admit... 😈

Total trip: 871.4 kilometers (541,5 miles), charging only twice (= three legs) with average consumption of 24.8 kWh/100 km (39.9 kWh / 100 mi) and average speed of 80 km/h (49.7 mile/h).

1st leg:
288.4 km (179.7 mi), started with 96% SOC, arrived with 14%. Temperatures varied between +2 to -2 Celsius (37 to 28F). Driving conditions started with moderate to heavy rain, then turned to slush/snow and ended with dry skies and dry snow/ice on roads.

Average consumption: 25.3 kWh/100 km (40.7kWh/100 mi), average speed 87 km/h (54mi/h).

1st charging:
79,5 kWh / 1hr 6 mins, battery temperature 20C/68F when started charging.

2nd leg:
325.6 km (202.3 mi), started with 97% SOC, arrived with 9%.
Temperatures between -2 to -5 celcius (28 to 23F). Driving conditions nice dry skies and little snow on the roads.

Average consumption: 23.7 kWh/100 km (38.1 kWh/100 mi), average speed: 82 km/h (51 mi/h).

2nd charging:
76.8 kWh/ 58 mins, battery temperature 18C/64.5F when started charging.

3rd leg:
257.4 km (160 mi), started with 96% SOC, arrived with 16%. Temperatures between -2 to -10 celcius (28 to 14 F). Driving conditions sames as in the 2nd leg.

Average consumption: 25.8 kWh/100 km (41.5kWh/100 mi), average speed: 72 km/h.

Scattered obervations along the way:

- Taycan is a fantastic, steady and reliable winter car, at least in terms of driving dynamics! Even with a bed of slush it kept pushing (and pulling = 4WD :D) safely and steadily. The low center of gravity works very well.

- Remember to switch to ”Normal” when passing other cars/changing lanes, so that you have 4WD all the time (Range keeps it in front wheels and sport/sport + in rear wheels - as a default). Yes, when the car starts to be a bit out of control or when pushing the accelerator, it divides the power to all fours, but that may be too late in winterly conditions!

- Switched aircon between ECO and ECO Plus (always set to 23C/73.5F) at the beginning with 100 km intervals, but in addition to freezing my a** off with ECO Plus, it didn´t had any significant impact on the range when the battery was heated from driving (approx. between 10 to 12C/50 to 54F throughout the journey, apart from pre-heating to charge, see next). Personal note: I didn´t spend this amount of money to be freezing in my car with down jacket and beanie on at winter, hence steady 23C... :D)

- I used the Charging Planner to pre-heat the battery when approaching the charging stations so the charging could be performed faster (see above and below).

- Both chargers were 225 kW (and in conjuction with Mc Donalds´ - I´m loving it 🥳), but in these temperatures, the max that I got out was somewhere round 175 kW (even with warm battery).

- I don´t waste my (or your) time talking about the Charging Planner, Navigation or other similar utterly useless Porsche Software ”features” in this thread.
(You can only guess whether those chargers I wanted to use could be found in Nav or not...)

- Used Plugshare and the Finnish equivalent (latauskartta.fi) instead. Anyway, it was not that tricky as we only have a handful of quick chargers outside the metropolitan area of Southern Finland.

- Parking, rain, speed limit, ACC [EDIT: Active Lane Keeping, not ACC] and what other sensors were out of the game pretty fast when sleet started to come down from the sky. - Hint: keep de-icing spray and microfiber wipes at hand in the car. I cleared the sensors when charging the 1st time and everything worked since then (dry weather, no more rain/sleet/snow). However, this happens to pretty much every car in wet conditions turning freezing, so Taycan is no different (better) here.

- Active cruise control (distance radar) sensor is heated and it remained in operation throughout the journey despite of heavy rain/sleet/snow. This sensor was something that froze every time (even with heating) in my G31 BMW, so no complaints here!

- All in all, and in comparison to X-drive 530d BMW, in terms of driving experience so far -after this trip and pretty much in every type of weather conditions we can encounter here in Finland- Taycan is definitely a superb winter car - but not with a clear margin.

- When preparing as an EV driver should (pre-heating cabin and battery, using ECO/Range modes, leaving sufficient marging between charges, using extra strong anti-freeze windshield liquids, not accelerating like a madman, not packing granny to the ski-box, etc.) Taycan can absolutely be used as a winter car in the land of Santa Claus (and maybe even by him :D).

Happy to answer any questions.

Drive fast but safe!

-A-

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Succinct. Amazingly wonderful and detailed synopsis of your trip.
Thank you for taking the time to compile your notes and observations.
 

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@AxelC , great summary, thanks!

Quite impressive with the consumption you have achieved in these conditions.

You said you used PlugShare to find the chargers, which is good to know. since the chargers were not recognised in the Charging Planner, I have also assumed you could not use the Porsche Charging card etc. I guess you needed a separate app or dongle to activate the charge?

Lovely to see the winter picture of your 4s and the wheels look great!
 

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@AxelC , great summary, thanks!

Quite impressive with the consumption you have achieved in these conditions.

You said you used PlugShare to find the chargers, which is good to know. since the chargers were not recognised in the Charging Planner, I have also assumed you could not use the Porsche Charging card etc. I guess you needed a separate app or dongle to activate the charge?

Lovely to see the winter picture of your 4s and the wheels look great!
[QUOTEYou said you used PlugShare to find the chargers, which is good to know. since the chargers were not recognised in the Charging Planner, I have also assumed you could not use the Porsche Charging card etc. I guess you needed a separate app or dongle to activate the charge?
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@AxelC , great summary, thanks!

Quite impressive with the consumption you have achieved in these conditions.

You said you used PlugShare to find the chargers, which is good to know. since the chargers were not recognised in the Charging Planner, I have also assumed you could not use the Porsche Charging card etc. I guess you needed a separate app or dongle to activate the charge?

Lovely to see the winter picture of your 4s and the wheels look great!
Yes indeed - I have five (!) different rfid-tags and apps (not counting on apps only) from various Finnish charging service providers. Plus the Porsche Charging Card for Ionity. Although using Ionity app gives better pricing in Finland at least. 🙄
 

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Happy New Year everyone! Hope that 2021 resolves both COVID-19 and Taycan crap software (two VERY different category of problems, have to admit... :D).

I promised to update how our road trip to Northern Finland for holidays went, so below some stats and observations:

Vehicle: Taycan 4S with Performance Battery+ (i.e. gross 93.4 kWh)

Tyres: Nokian Hakkapeliitta R3 (=no studs) 245/45R20 103R (Rear pair: XL) with 2.8 bars (40.6 psi) and wheels: Nitro Tourismo FF (20 spokes) = regular, not aero (see the attached pic).

Pax and cargo load: max 350 kg (skis went with our ICE Audi :whew:)

Driving mode(s): Continuously on Range.
Switched to Normal (=4WD and increased ground clearance because of snow) only when passing other cars - which I did quite a lot, have to admit... 😈

Total trip: 871.4 kilometers (541,5 miles), charging only twice (= three legs) with average consumption of 24.8 kWh/100 km (39.9 kWh / 100 mi) and average speed of 80 km/h (49.7 mile/h).

1st leg:
288.4 km (179.7 mi), started with 96% SOC, arrived with 14%. Temperatures varied between +2 to -2 Celsius (37 to 28F). Driving conditions started with moderate to heavy rain, then turned to slush/snow and ended with dry skies and dry snow/ice on roads.

Average consumption: 25.3 kWh/100 km (40.7kWh/100 mi), average speed 87 km/h (54mi/h).

1st charging:
79,5 kWh / 1hr 6 mins, battery temperature 20C/68F when started charging.

2nd leg:
325.6 km (202.3 mi), started with 97% SOC, arrived with 9%.
Temperatures between -2 to -5 celcius (28 to 23F). Driving conditions nice dry skies and little snow on the roads.

Average consumption: 23.7 kWh/100 km (38.1 kWh/100 mi), average speed: 82 km/h (51 mi/h).

2nd charging:
76.8 kWh/ 58 mins, battery temperature 18C/64.5F when started charging.

3rd leg:
257.4 km (160 mi), started with 96% SOC, arrived with 16%. Temperatures between -2 to -10 celcius (28 to 14 F). Driving conditions sames as in the 2nd leg.

Average consumption: 25.8 kWh/100 km (41.5kWh/100 mi), average speed: 72 km/h.

Scattered obervations along the way:

- Taycan is a fantastic, steady and reliable winter car, at least in terms of driving dynamics! Even with a bed of slush it kept pushing (and pulling = 4WD :D) safely and steadily. The low center of gravity works very well.

- Remember to switch to ”Normal” when passing other cars/changing lanes, so that you have 4WD all the time (Range keeps it in front wheels and sport/sport + in rear wheels - as a default). Yes, when the car starts to be a bit out of control or when pushing the accelerator, it divides the power to all fours, but that may be too late in winterly conditions!

- Switched aircon between ECO and ECO Plus (always set to 23C/73.5F) at the beginning with 100 km intervals, but in addition to freezing my a** off with ECO Plus, it didn´t had any significant impact on the range when the battery was heated from driving (approx. between 10 to 12C/50 to 54F throughout the journey, apart from pre-heating to charge, see next). Personal note: I didn´t spend this amount of money to be freezing in my car with down jacket and beanie on at winter, hence steady 23C... :D)

- I used the Charging Planner to pre-heat the battery when approaching the charging stations so the charging could be performed faster (see above and below).

- Both chargers were 225 kW (and in conjuction with Mc Donalds´ - I´m loving it 🥳), but in these temperatures, the max that I got out was somewhere round 175 kW (even with warm battery).

- I don´t waste my (or your) time talking about the Charging Planner, Navigation or other similar utterly useless Porsche Software ”features” in this thread.
(You can only guess whether those chargers I wanted to use could be found in Nav or not...)

- Used Plugshare and the Finnish equivalent (latauskartta.fi) instead. Anyway, it was not that tricky as we only have a handful of quick chargers outside the metropolitan area of Southern Finland.

- Parking, rain, speed limit, ACC [EDIT: Active Lane Keeping, not ACC] and what other sensors were out of the game pretty fast when sleet started to come down from the sky. - Hint: keep de-icing spray and microfiber wipes at hand in the car. I cleared the sensors when charging the 1st time and everything worked since then (dry weather, no more rain/sleet/snow). However, this happens to pretty much every car in wet conditions turning freezing, so Taycan is no different (better) here.

- Active cruise control (distance radar) sensor is heated and it remained in operation throughout the journey despite of heavy rain/sleet/snow. This sensor was something that froze every time (even with heating) in my G31 BMW, so no complaints here!

- All in all, and in comparison to X-drive 530d BMW, in terms of driving experience so far -after this trip and pretty much in every type of weather conditions we can encounter here in Finland- Taycan is definitely a superb winter car - but not with a clear margin.

- When preparing as an EV driver should (pre-heating cabin and battery, using ECO/Range modes, leaving sufficient marging between charges, using extra strong anti-freeze windshield liquids, not accelerating like a madman, not packing granny to the ski-box, etc.) Taycan can absolutely be used as a winter car in the land of Santa Claus (and maybe even by him :D).

Happy to answer any questions.

Drive fast but safe!

-A-

Thanks for posting, really helpful. Have to say I had no idea that normal mode is the only mode in which 4WD is the default, so that's definitely good to know with the snow approaching.

There's no way I'd get the consumption figures you have seen at those temperatures and at those speeds based upon my experiences to-date. Out of interest, don't suppose you know what the ball-park humidity was during your trip (although I am sure that is not something you religiously follow every day!)? I'm beginning to think humidity may be one of the key reasons why we seem to be seeing different cold weather range figures in different countries. In October / November when I started seeing a significant drop-off in range, the humidity was really high over here.
 

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Didn’t record the humidity, but the Finnish Meteorological Institute does so. 😄

According to their website historical data, humidity was 96% at the time and location of the 1st charge and 89% at the second.
 

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Didn’t record the humidity, but the Finnish Meteorological Institute does so. 😄

According to their website historical data, humidity was 96% at the time and location of the 1st charge and 89% at the second.
Thanks! Guess humidity doesn't explain things then, since it seems it was fairly high for you. Man, I certainly didn't pay s much attention to weather conditions before buying an EV!
 

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