Taycan Charging / EA 150kw vs 350kw

[Hirschaj]

question: is it not possible to use both? input destination in both PMC and Apple Maps? does one cancel the other out? i haven't tried it, curious if it's possible, so theoretically the car will precondition (if you select the same charger in both apps) the battery and you can navigate via apple maps.. ?

There has only been 1 report on 1 car of getting this to work. All others have failed. You can only use 1 nav at a time through the car/CarPlay.

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[Tomato]

From my experience, just charge at whatever 150kW is closer and available to you. By the time you drive around looking and waiting for a 350kW stall, you will end up wasting more time.

 

[daveo4EV]

under ideal and optimal/perfect circumstances the difference from 5% to 95% at 270 kW vs. 150 is about 8 minutes tops (more like 6-7 minutes) according to the math and the taper curve model…it very very very easy to blow 5 minutes simply unplugging and moving stalls and restarting a session…

if you plug in and and are getting 125 kW or more (175 kW is common for me on working 150 kW EA stalls) - you're better off staying put - now if you plug in an your're getting 35 kW - yeah try moving stalls.

but honestly the actual difference is less than 10 min for 270 kW vs. 150 kW based on the actual taper curves - once you're past 50-60% SOC you're at or below 150 kW anyways due to the charge taper curve…so a 350 kW stall is NO FASTER than a 150 kW stall for the entire run between 50% and 95% SOC…

 

[W1NGE]

ah, that’s a great point @Hirschaj - ty! Great info before I start taking some longer trips.

i really don’t like (kind of hate) the built in nav app.

I’ll have to give it a go and check things out. Luckily we’re usually not in a rush so if the first couple of charges take a bit longer it won’t be the end of the world.

Much appreciated!

Depending on the weather, distance travelled and speed you may well find your battery is at 32C therefore mitigating the need to preheat.

 

[Elroy]

I did not order the 19.2kW On-Board Charger for our MY2022 Taycan GTS. The dealer can install one. Part cost is $2400 and the labor quote was $3500. I don't see the value in that.

 

[TDinDC]

There has only been 1 report on 1 car of getting this to work. All others have failed. You can only use 1 nav at a time through the car/CarPlay.

I'm not entirely sure this is completely accurate. I, and a few others around here, can get the Porsche navigator and Waze via car play to work simultaneously. It can be picky. Whenever one of those stupid map updates shows up (which seems to happen way too often), it stops Waze, for example.

I cannot get the Porsche Navigation and Apple Maps navigation to work simultaneously. It may be that the additional integration makes it harder or impossible to use simultaneously, but that is just supposition based on the fact that I personally cannot make Apple Maps work when I can clearly make Porsche Navigation and Waze to work as various picture I have posted.

My hope is that the Apple Maps navigation will (1) start working with pre-conditioning; (2) route more accurately; and, most importantly, (3) give better active alerts on both cameras and live police locations. Once can hope, but I feel like right now that any choice you make at the moment involves foregoing the benefits of the others . . .

 

[Afliss]

so firstly - I'll apologize in advance if this question has been beaten to death - but I'm having trouble figuring something out.

I bought a 2022 Taycan (regular) about a year ago. not our first Porsche, but our first Taycan.

we've been pretty happy with it so far. it's my wife's car - and she really never drives more than 200 miles on a trip - so some 240v/50amp charging at home has worked out well so far.

we bought the car off the lot - as far as charging / battery tech - I see:

Performance Battery Plus (93.4kWh)
and
19.2kW On-Board Charger
and
On-Board 150kW/400V DC Charger

we're thinking of taking her car on a long trip in a few months. I did integrate Apple Maps with the car - which has been working great.

when plotting out my trip - I see that there were some filters for EA charging stations that did 350Kw, 150Kw, etc.

as I'll be stopping to kind of top off the battery while driving - and am fine with spending 20-25 minutes per stop - would it make a significant difference based on the car / my options to only stop at 350kw stations?

or in my situation - would the 150kw work great, and just be slightly slower than the 350kw?

I've taken a bunch of extended trips with my CT4 and I have yet to stop at an EA 350kw charger and get more than 200kw. They are always throttled back for unidentifiable reasons or I am load sharing with other cars using the same bank. The 150s are reality the 350s are fantasy.

 

[Lightning4570]

I just completed a 2400 mile drive (LA to northern Michigan via Denver) and used EA chargers exclusively. I noted a few things that are helpful. First, as others have posted in this string, I rarely saw more than 120kW even when on a 350 charger, and frequently under 100. I did not let the range get below 25%, and stopped charges at 85-90 most of the time. I used the EA app to search for chargers and then loaded them into the nav using My Porsche app, but also referenced a different app (PlugShare) to look at writeups on the actual working conditions of each charger I planned to use. I did the drive solo in my GTS Sport Turismo but it would have been a lot easier with a copilot/nav along to do this charging “research” on the fly vs. while I waited to charge.
Another observation: Chevy Bolt drivers are not helping anyone by connecting to the 350kW chargers even though the car can’t take more than a tenth of that. Hopefully charger etiquette spreads around over time.
Good luck with the trip, it takes more planning but you get to stretch every 2 hrs.

 

[Jhenson29]

@Lightning4570 so that’s like almost 30 min of charging every 2 to 2.5 hours of driving?

 

[Tomato]

Another observation: Chevy Bolt drivers are not helping anyone by connecting to the 350kW chargers even though the car can’t take more than a tenth of that. Hopefully charger etiquette spreads around over time.

Can't exactly fault the Bolt driver if that's the only stall available. What's the proper etiquette? To not charge at the only available 350kW stall and wait for 150kW to open up? I doubt anyone would do that.

 

[Hirschaj]

I, and a few others around here, can get the Porsche navigator and Waze via car play to work simultaneously.

I seem to have missed the “few others”. You’re the person I was referring to that seems to be able to get this to work somehow.

 

[pdt6974]

so firstly - I'll apologize in advance if this question has been beaten to death - but I'm having trouble figuring something out.

I bought a 2022 Taycan (regular) about a year ago. not our first Porsche, but our first Taycan.

we've been pretty happy with it so far. it's my wife's car - and she really never drives more than 200 miles on a trip - so some 240v/50amp charging at home has worked out well so far.

we bought the car off the lot - as far as charging / battery tech - I see:

Performance Battery Plus (93.4kWh)
and
19.2kW On-Board Charger
and
On-Board 150kW/400V DC Charger

we're thinking of taking her car on a long trip in a few months. I did integrate Apple Maps with the car - which has been working great.

when plotting out my trip - I see that there were some filters for EA charging stations that did 350Kw, 150Kw, etc.

as I'll be stopping to kind of top off the battery while driving - and am fine with spending 20-25 minutes per stop - would it make a significant difference based on the car / my options to only stop at 350kw stations?

or in my situation - would the 150kw work great, and just be slightly slower than the 350kw?

After 22K mostly road trip miles I suggest using the fastest available. I rarely hit 270kW and rarely over 200kW. If the 350kW charger is giving you less than 150kW, try an available 150kW. In my experience, the 150's often output higher than the 350's on EA. More importantly, use Plugshare AND the applicable charging service app ahead of and during your trip to ensure the chargers are not down at your destination. I have learned to check the availability before I leave my current charging session. Safe travels.

 

[TDinDC]

I seem to have missed the “few others”. You’re the person I was referring to that seems to be able to get this to work somehow.

I have seen two or three others report here that they have the same experience that I do regarding Waze. It may be question of settings. I just think that it is difficult for any one user to say “never”, “nobody”, “always” or “everyone”. With no organized data, we are limited to trading anecdotes and making assumptions based on those limited anecdotes. For example, I cannot get Apple Maps to run simultaneously with Porsche Navigation despite being able to make Waze work, but I cannot tell you whether that is because it is not possible or because I personally just haven’t figured it out yet. I just wish they would expedite making the car flexible enough to use any one—or multiple—tools of our choice, or make their tool so much better that you do not have to sacrifice anything by using it.

 

[satchurator]

If you use Apple Maps on your trip instead of the built in nav, then the battery will not precondition and charging will be slow. Use the built in Porsche nav with charging planner for your trip.

Slower in relative terms, but not definitively slow. Particularly at the tail end of the charging curve.

 

[satchurator]

@snydema1 If you aren't already using it, I suggest you get the PlugShare app in order to check on your candidate charging stop locations. That will give you some visibility to whether a given location has dispensers that have been throttled to 50kW, or are out of service.

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