Any hope for significant update when MY 2025 introduced?

[freeforall]

I think when the PCM is in stable final version they will leave it alone because their focus from now on is Android Automotive.

Personally I use a lot Carplay and people around seem to do the same leveraging Carplay or Android Auto (if route planner not needed). So if Porsche doesn’t invest time and money improving the old PCM because they want to focus on their new SW based on Android Automotive it won’t be a deal breaker.
HOWEVER they can be smart about this to not abandon older cars while spending min effort.

A couple concrete examples
- They can allow the possibility to display Apple CarPlay navigation on the driving instrument (instead of displaying an inactive PCM map while Waze is running on the central screen). If they only do that they will keep me very happy for at least a couple years
- Slightly optimize the instruments display options in alignment with the improvement they did for the Macan. I have always been frustrated by the left instrument which has very limited/useless options, I don’t understand why they don’t propose all the options proposed on the right instrument. (I ended up displaying the car tire pressure which seemed the most useful among the useless options). Why not do the small change in the Taycan as well?

My point is they can always do small meaningful changes from time to time with the aim to improve the driver’s experience, and keep people happy without having to introduce groundbreaking changes to an old PCM.

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[JonoNZ]

CarPlay and Android Auto really makes a massive difference even if carmakers move into only maintenance cycle for the old PCM. CP and AA continue to evolve over the years so as long as the CarPlay implementation is solid then it's not so bad. The other really great thing about CarPlay (and AA) is that it's on your phone, so it has all your contacts, maps recents info, music, podcasts, audiobooks etc, so If you jump from car to car (even rentals!) the experience of your stuff following you around simply cannot be beaten. That is where I got to on the BMW iDrive 8.0/8.5 hardware upgrade with no software upgrade path, I use CarPlay on the second screen 99% of the time, and BMW have Apple Maps implementation in the HUD and instrument cluster display already, so it's already very slick.

BMW also have Apple CarKey which works quite nicely. Has anyone heard if Porsche plan to support CarKey?

 

[tigerbalm]

BMW also have Apple CarKey which works quite nicely. Has anyone heard if Porsche plan to support CarKey?

The closest hint I've seen is that the MyPorsche app is marked on the app store as supporting wallet. CarKey is a "wallet" thing. And there is no other obvious use of wallet in the app today.

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/CarKey

 

[JonoNZ]

The closest hint I've seen is that the MyPorsche app is marked on the app store as supporting wallet. CarKey is a "wallet" thing. And there is no other obvious use of wallet in the app today.

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/CarKey

Ah yep, sounds promising! We might find out more with the full Macan EV real on 25th January.

 

[irrelevant]

You say that but, let’s not forget, simulation is a wonderful tool and we know Tesla will be the King of Simulation and AI. I wouldn’t bet against Elon. . . .

I would...all day long.

"full self driving" promoted since 2017
"it's financially insane to buy any car other than a Tesla"- 2019
"cybertruck" - production in 2021, with starting price of $39,900 - 2019
"Tesla Roadster" (gen 2) announced in 2017
"Hyperloop" -
"Boring Company" - revolutionary high speed transportation turns out to be nothing more than people driving Model 3's through a tunnel under Las Vegas at 30 m.p.h.
"Tesla Solar Roof" - 2016 - nearly 8 years later and how many installations are there?

 

[gtm]

I would...all day long.

"full self driving" promoted since 2017
"it's financially insane to buy any car other than a Tesla"- 2019
"cybertruck" - production in 2021, with starting price of $39,900 - 2019
"Tesla Roadster" (gen 2) announced in 2017
"Hyperloop" -
"Boring Company" - revolutionary high speed transportation turns out to be nothing more than people driving Model 3's through a tunnel under Las Vegas at 30 m.p.h.
"Tesla Solar Roof" - 2016 - nearly 8 years later and how many installations are there?

Unless you had a date set as a condition of your bet you would lose. Leave Elon the person out of it (and he does do his best to come across as an ass). He has build amazing organizations. Put electric cars on the road and has the best selling model in the world in the Y. Fast, reliable DC charging almost everywhere. SpaceX. Doing what our government has given up on. Boring company is operating. Who else is trying to construct a tunnel that way? FSD? Ok, that one isn't there yet but would other manufacturers be trying so hard if he hadn't tried to implement it? Gigga factories are completed faster than anyone though possible. It's not Elon, it's the people he's attracted doing some really good work.

 

[f1eng]

You say that but, let’s not forget, simulation is a wonderful tool and we know Tesla will be the King of Simulation and AI. I wouldn’t bet against Elon. . . .

I think you are massively underestimating how complex it is.

Formula 1 teams with decades of experience and spending tens of millions a year still don't have accurate enough simulations despite tapping into specialists worldwide and having developed them since at least 1982 (I wrote my first simulation for myself then to work out what would be most effective to work on when we were very short of resource in the early days, maybe somebody else was earlier, we kept that sort of thing secret).

Road cars will be much easier because the aero and tyre performances are less critical unknowns, but whilst stuff like suspension geometry is trivial to simulate these days just having and accurate enough tyre model to make a worthwhile simulation for reality rather than gaming still doesn't exist afaik.

 

[taycan2024]

Not an opinion Taycan owners would like to hear, and I would love to be proven wrong, but:

With all the workload on Porsche engineers to move forward with the electrification roadmap of the Porsche Lineup (E-Macan, e-718, e-Cayenne and ultimately electrified 911), I do not expect PAG to further invest into development and rollout of functionalities for a soon-to-be "legacy" Taycan.

Design of J1 platform was started almost a decade ago and carries loads of technical debt.
Example: limited OTA update capabilities, since each control unit needs to be flashed independently.

Engineering resources will be spent on future products.
Current state of pre-facelift-Taycan is "good enough".

Exception: bugfixes, safety issues, legal requirements.

 

[andb]

Current state of pre-facelift-Taycan is "good enough".

Exception: bugfixes, safety issues, legal requirements.

Agree, with so many Taycans on the street on extended warranties Porsche can't forget them otherwise their costs an reputation won't look good.

 

[allroadusa]

Agree... and actually I'm always amazed when Porsche owners are having too much expectation in facelifts... Porsche has proven being very conservative in that matter. Facelifts are always very light (see the Panamera)... Interior stays almost always untouched... the most you could expect is a new PCM version... probably deployed to pre facelifted too, a front/back lights/bumper update on the exterior and a small powertrain upgrade.

 

[TAYC4S]

I think you are massively underestimating how complex it is.

Formula 1 teams with decades of experience and spending tens of millions a year still don't have accurate enough simulations despite tapping into specialists worldwide and having developed them since at least 1982 (I wrote my first simulation for myself then to work out what would be most effective to work on when we were very short of resource in the early days, maybe somebody else was earlier, we kept that sort of thing secret).

Road cars will be much easier because the aero and tyre performances are less critical unknowns, but whilst stuff like suspension geometry is trivial to simulate these days just having and accurate enough tyre model to make a worthwhile simulation for reality rather than gaming still doesn't exist afaik.

Exactly - just look at Ferrari F1 as a good example of how complex this is, even with money to spend on it!

 

[TAYC4S]

Not an opinion Taycan owners would like to hear, and I would love to be proven wrong, but:

With all the workload on Porsche engineers to move forward with the electrification roadmap of the Porsche Lineup (E-Macan, e-718, e-Cayenne and ultimately electrified 911), I do not expect PAG to further invest into development and rollout of functionalities for a soon-to-be "legacy" Taycan.

Design of J1 platform was started almost a decade ago and carries loads of technical debt.
Example: limited OTA update capabilities, since each control unit needs to be flashed independently.

Engineering resources will be spent on future products.
Current state of pre-facelift-Taycan is "good enough".

Exception: bugfixes, safety issues, legal requirements.

I think you are probably right. The complexity of all the control units and sub-systems has plagued Cariad which is doing a lot of the s/w work across the VW Group. We are involved in helping to streamline some of that work and its been pretty tough going but there is a lot of light at the end of the tunnel now...

 

[MissionE]

Any hope for any of the following happening when the MY 2025 is introduced?

- More battery capacity available?
- More power via software update to unlock any reserves that the motors may have?
- PCM upgrade to match what is being introduced with Macan EV?

That would be a way for Porsche to increase the value of the current Taycan on the road...even though any of the above would be un-porsche like.

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