Any hope for significant update when MY 2025 introduced?

[freeforall]

There is also a reason why everything is an option on a Porsche. It’s because they know Porsche buyers will pay

For the Taycan, this happened at the beginning and I expect this to change if Porsche doesn’t wake up and do something differently. If they are smart enough they will need to find a way to make the Taycan holds its value a little bit better (and why not be the exception among EVs). If they do, people like me (who want to buy new only) will be more likely to buy new models when they go out which will have 2 benefits for Porsche: They will sell more new cars to existing owners and attract new ones but also 2nd hand buyer will be looking to buy a Taycan because of its good value (it will create a double positive effect). If Porsche doesn’t do anything, people like me will just stick to their Taycan for 8 or 10 years because I like my car, and new buyers won’t consider it (personally for now I don’t want to sell and buy a new Taycan or Macan or whatever new EV Porsche comes with, I am sticking with my car). At the same time for 2nd hand buyers seeing how the Taycan looses value, a lot of them will think twice before jumping (meaning it will not be the car with a high demand, even though it will make low budget buyers very happy => but this would be the wrong strategy for Porsche)
In my opinion Porsche needs to consider 2 things to make the Taycan a car that might hold its value
- Create the surprise and share with buyers their intention to provide owners in the future with the possibility to upgrade their battery to new generation ones lighter with more capacity.
- Keep updating the software (not necessarily the PCM but also enhancing the driving experience, and the range etc)

If they do that the Taycan can easily hold its values better given it is an amazing car to drive (especially with a lot of youth issues going away and being fixed). Personally in this case I will buy each new generation of Taycan to enjoy a new config and new tech while knowing I am not loosing a ton of money.

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[Hirschaj]

But this is not allowed to be said on this forum.

Actually I find the people on this forum are quite balanced (most of them anyway) when it comes to objectivity comparing the pros and cons of other vehicles in the market. At the end of the day it’s all about personal preference and you are more than welcome to say you prefer other vehicles over the Taycan. It’s pretty ironic that your comment came off as presumptuous and passive aggressive given the sentence I quoted. Seriously, there is loads of good will on this forum towards Tesla and some well deserved criticism too.

 

[TAYC4S]

I am a bit of a dinosaur and certainly atypical but:-

I split car software into two sections in my mind.
The first is how it controls the steering feel, effectiveness of things like the ride/handling compromise programmed into the suspension, effectiveness of vehicle stability algorithms, active anti-roll bars, torque vectoring and such things. What I think of as the car software.

The second is things like ICE and ergonomics of the cabin functions. OTA updates and bells and whistles.

It is clear that Tesla are better at the second section which nowadays seem to be more important to a huge number of car buyers, or maybe they just aren’t aware of the first.

I have little interest in ICE and so forth, accept ergonomics is completely lost to styling in almost every car for the las 20+ years but the first section is most important to me, so I would disagree with you totally for the car software Tesla are nowhere near Porsche even if they do have a fireplace and fart cushions.

Their ergonomics set new standards of being cheap and rubbish too IMO.

Could not have said it better…but I also know that Porsche will undoubtedly catch up in the second area as well (should it want to). The first however, comes with so much pedigree and not just as a manufacturer but a series racing specialist as well, across many different types of motorsport! That’s not something you can just acquire overnight and that differentiates a brand like Porsche.

 

[007]

Actually I find the people on this forum are quite balanced (most of them anyway).

If I know I’m going crazy, I must not be insane. Balanced thinking will take you beyond confusion.

 

[Vim Schrotnock]

I am a bit of a dinosaur and certainly atypical but:-

I split car software into two sections in my mind.
The first is how it controls the steering feel, effectiveness of things like the ride/handling compromise programmed into the suspension, effectiveness of vehicle stability algorithms, active anti-roll bars, torque vectoring and such things. What I think of as the car software.

The second is things like ICE and ergonomics of the cabin functions. OTA updates and bells and whistles.

It is clear that Tesla are better at the second section which nowadays seem to be more important to a huge number of car buyers, or maybe they just aren’t aware of the first.

I have little interest in ICE and so forth, accept ergonomics is completely lost to styling in almost every car for the las 20+ years but the first section is most important to me, so I would disagree with you totally for the car software Tesla are nowhere near Porsche even if they do have a fireplace and fart cushions.

Their ergonomics set new standards of being cheap and rubbish too IMO.

I have to agree and also I am probably a dinosaur as well. However the ergonomics in the cars and in pretty much everything is becoming junk, partly I believe because of cost and partly because of some misconstrued conception of style. The following will be a full-blown rant so you may want to discontinue reading at this point.

When did the human factors engineers that designed pretty much everything decide that soft touch no button no switch sliding things are better than buttons, levers and knobs? I just rented a Mercedes with sliding sections on the steering wheel to control sound volume and speed instead of the familiar rotating knobs. the knobs were beautiful, always worked and I never had a problem with them. I believe for cost reasons they have decided that everything needs to be flat panel sensor based so I have to slide my freaking finger 1/8 of an inch to increase the volume by God knows how much. A simple up down switch or rotating dial is absolutely perfect and to my knowledge has not yet been improved upon. Even the light switches in my house drive me nuts. It used to be walk into a room and feel for the light switch, then just flip the switch up or down and the light turns on. Why can’t we keep things simple and basic?

 

[JonoNZ]

I beg to differ… they gotta do something significant, especially in the range/battery, otherwise I don’t see the refresh selling well.

I agree, the FL has been in testing for so long the changes have to include more than a modified front and rear of the vehicle, not to mention, the Macan upstages the Taycan on a few important areas such as drivetrain, efficiency, range, and PCM fronts…there is no way Porsche will allow this to happen. That is why the FL Taycan is being revealed around the same time frame as the Macan EV.

 

[TayBic]

Any hope for any of the following happening when the MY 2025 is introduced?

- More battery capacity available?
- More power via software update to unlock any reserves that the motors may have?
- PCM upgrade to match what is being introduced with Macan EV?

That would be a way for Porsche to increase the value of the current Taycan on the road...even though any of the above would be un-porsche like.

Hope, yes, system and software redundancy.

Last november I had this problem:
take a look at this post

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/traction-control-error-park-vehicle-safely.5499/

The same occoured to my car.

Taken the car at the dealer. Some inspection via ODB : no results. Only a log about a mistake coming from the front motor on the same date.
The pcm was updated, one patch was applied to other electronics, not mention about what kind of patch nor a list of patches applied in the past.

Add this problems to the others posted by our friends on this forum and the question is:

are we safe when driving this car?

It is not a pleasure to be bricked in the middle of an highway because of some errors like "electrical system error park vehicle in a safe place" or (in my case) " Traction control error, park etc...".
Yes I will, if I could have control on my car... It'not a good practice turning off and on the car (as if you were jocking with your notebook) , while other cars are running fast around you..

Anyway the dealer opened a support ticket to Porsche Germany waiting for an answer while I drive quiet on the right side of the road crossing my fingers.

I do not know if is there an EU agency this issue can be reported to (like NHTSA in US) because this kind of issues can cause accidents.
I had two Porsche Cayenne in the past.No problems.

So, redundancy of the systems and software... When some kind of error is detected, the car should be still under driver's control. The issue should be self repaired whithout the need of switching on and off this kind of mega computer.

I hope that the new Macan EV will be better engineered.(remember that Macan EV is late on market bacause of software problems due to CARIAD the VW Group software business unit as reported by some automotive EU magazines).

There are essentially three steps when a software engineer is developing a software product: Alfa, Beta and final release.
Taycan is still in Beta.

No regret to have one taycan.I still love it, but no need to be blind about problems.

 

[BJCanadaMax]

I rather have new front/rear bumpers that can hit rain soaked shoveled snow/ice and won't break. Even the current one just go anywhere!! Anyway, if i feel not happy with my car later, i can always buy a different car later. It's just a question of what can actually be better than a Cross Turismo. I don't want a SUV.

 

[andix]

Don't want an update.
My current version is very stable. All good.

 

[achaudh]

Btw: those front Lower lights are… awful

Agreed, if that's the production version, those lights make the front fascia not too attractive.

 

[Gwaihir]

Could not have said it better…but I also know that Porsche will undoubtedly catch up in the second area as well (should it want to). The first however, comes with so much pedigree and not just as a manufacturer but a series racing specialist as well, across many different types of motorsport! That’s not something you can just acquire overnight and that differentiates a brand like Porsche.

You say that but, let’s not forget, simulation is a wonderful tool and we know Tesla will be the King of Simulation and AI. I wouldn’t bet against Elon. . . .

 

[TAYC4S]

You say that but, let’s not forget, simulation is a wonderful tool and we know Tesla will be the King of Simulation and AI. I wouldn’t bet against Elon. . . .

Nobody should bet against anyone - all of this creates competitive pressure points so that’s a good thing especially for us consumers. It is just that the starting baselines are different and should not be ignored - nor the target audiences each manufacturer is ultimately aiming at.

 

[andb]

- Create the surprise and share with buyers their intention to provide owners in the future with the possibility to upgrade their battery to new generation ones lighter with more capacity.
- Keep updating the software (not necessarily the PCM but also enhancing the driving experience, and the range etc)

If they do that the Taycan can easily hold its values better given it is an amazing car to drive (especially with a lot of youth issues going away and being fixed). Personally in this case I will buy each new generation of Taycan to enjoy a new config and new tech while knowing I am not loosing a ton of money.

Totally agree.
However Porsche never mentioned that J1.2 battery will work on J1 platform but the modular battery cell design should allow better modules to be installed.
I think when the PCM is in stable final version they will leave it alone because their focus from now on is Android Automotive.

 

[JonoNZ]

Totally agree.
However Porsche never mentioned that J1.2 battery will work on J1 platform but the modular battery cell design should allow better modules to be installed.
I think when the PCM is in stable final version they will leave it alone because their focus from now on is Android Automotive.

The latest PCM is based on Android Automotive, and that is what is in the Macan EV and likely the FL Taycan - we'll have to wait to confirm that. Agree, the old PCM will probably only see incremental updates and fixes from here on in, and there is very little chance the new PCM will be bought to Porsche models that don't have the new hardware. I have experienced this first hand with our BMW iX M60 which is stuck on iDrive 8.0 on x86 artchitecture. MY24 cars are based on ARM and can support iDrive 8.5 and is far more responsive and brings new features.

 

[Gwaihir]

Nobody should bet against anyone - all of this creates competitive pressure points so that’s a good thing especially for us consumers. It is just that the starting baselines are different and should not be ignored - nor the target audiences each manufacturer is ultimately aiming at.

My point was Porsche have lived on their brilliant handling, car control and looks. With good simulation this could be replicated and any gap reduced.

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