CT4 fast enough?

[285kph]

So, you're saying it's a full second slower 0-60mph, then catches up and passes the Panamera 4S?

Yes, talking about speed vs time, that's exactly what I'm saying (or rather, that's what Car & Driver measured):
Panamera 4s: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a37805728/2021-porsche-panamera-4s-by-the-numbers/
Taycan RWD PB+: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a37853137/2021-porsche-taycan-pbp-by-the-numbers/

Panamera is a massive 1.1s faster to 60mph (3.6 vs 4.7s), but slower to 130mph (16.8 vs 16.4s). 5-60mph is basically identical (5.0 vs 5.1s). 1/4 mile trap speed is very similar, 115mph vs 113mph, but in distance vs time the Taycan can't make up for the slow start (12.1s vs 12.9s for the 1/4 mile).

The RWD performance from a dig vs at speed is truly odd.

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[menzz]

Yes, talking about speed vs time, that's exactly what I'm saying (or rather, that's what Car & Driver measured):
Panamera 4s: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a37805728/2021-porsche-panamera-4s-by-the-numbers/
Taycan RWD PB+: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a37853137/2021-porsche-taycan-pbp-by-the-numbers/

Panamera is a massive 1.1s faster to 60mph (3.6 vs 4.7s), but slower to 130mph (16.8 vs 16.4s). 5-60mph is basically identical (5.0 vs 5.1s). 1/4 mile trap speed is very similar, 115mph vs 113mph, but in distance vs time the Taycan can't make up for the slow start (12.1s vs 12.9s for the 1/4 mile).

The RWD performance from a dig vs at speed is truly odd.

Not really odd considering that ICE cars use gearing to increase wheel torque. So the wheel torque reduces by each gearshift

 

[McgR]

Yes, talking about speed vs time, that's exactly what I'm saying (or rather, that's what Car & Driver measured):
Panamera 4s: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a37805728/2021-porsche-panamera-4s-by-the-numbers/
Taycan RWD PB+: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a37853137/2021-porsche-taycan-pbp-by-the-numbers/

Panamera is a massive 1.1s faster to 60mph (3.6 vs 4.7s), but slower to 130mph (16.8 vs 16.4s). 5-60mph is basically identical (5.0 vs 5.1s). 1/4 mile trap speed is very similar, 115mph vs 113mph, but in distance vs time the Taycan can't make up for the slow start (12.1s vs 12.9s for the 1/4 mile).

The RWD performance from a dig vs at speed is truly odd.

These pictures are from the Porsche website first is the 4 CT second is the pana 4s. And the third is a general topic with 80-120 times.

 

[Jrkennedy37]

Regarding the comment earlier, Torque is what makes a car feel fast - the “butt dyno” as people call it. That’s why any EV tends to feel quick even if it’s not the same acceleration as a similar ICE vehicle. The first time I test drove a Model 3 I was blown away at the sensation of speed even though it was a full 2 seconds slower to 60 vs the ICE car I drove at the time. Same goes for my wife’s diesel X5. Especially at lower speeds it feels wicked quick even though it’s slower than the gas counterpart that has less torque but more hp.

 

[WattTurbo]

Yes, talking about speed vs time, that's exactly what I'm saying (or rather, that's what Car & Driver measured):
Panamera 4s: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a37805728/2021-porsche-panamera-4s-by-the-numbers/
Taycan RWD PB+: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a37853137/2021-porsche-taycan-pbp-by-the-numbers/

Panamera is a massive 1.1s faster to 60mph (3.6 vs 4.7s), but slower to 130mph (16.8 vs 16.4s). 5-60mph is basically identical (5.0 vs 5.1s). 1/4 mile trap speed is very similar, 115mph vs 113mph, but in distance vs time the Taycan can't make up for the slow start (12.1s vs 12.9s for the 1/4 mile).

The RWD performance from a dig vs at speed is truly odd.

What it looks like to me is the Pana 4S has a higher top speed than the Taycan thus requiring higher gearing, which causes a reduction in torque and acceleration. But, for "normal daily driving", the 4S would feel faster unless you're a race car driver and live on the race track.

 

[bah1590]

What it looks like to me is the Pana 4S has a higher top speed than the Taycan thus requiring higher gearing, which causes a reduction in torque and acceleration. But, for "normal daily driving", the 4S would feel faster unless you're a race car driver and live on the race track.

I kind of disagree. If you compare the Panamera vs the Taycan in what I would consider normal driving you see the following:

Panamera 30 to 50mph 2.9 sec
Taycan 30 to 50mph 1.9 sec

Panamera 50 to 70mph 3.4 sec
Taycan 50 to 70mph 2.6 sec

When I am doing daily driving this is more important to me so I can get up and go quickly when I need to in traffic situations. I think this is more important than 0 to 60 time or speed. So the Taycan is faster.

 

[WattTurbo]

I kind of disagree. If you compare the Panamera vs the Taycan in what I would consider normal driving you see the following:

Panamera 30 to 50mph 2.9 sec
Taycan 30 to 50mph 1.9 sec

Panamera 50 to 70mph 3.4 sec
Taycan 50 to 70mph 2.6 sec

When I am doing daily driving this is more important to me so I can get up and go quickly when I need to in traffic situations. I think this is more important than 0 to 60 time or speed. So the Taycan is faster.

You've left out an important fact that the stats is for the "top gear". When I am in my 911, at that speed, it's on the 3rd gear of 7. If I were to floor it, it'd downshift and would be even faster.

 

[WuffvonTrips]

I'd assumed that top gear acceleration times for an automatic are based on it downshifting to an appropriate lower gear. But I'm not confident in interpreting results from any source that muddies the waters with "rollout" (which I realise is not a factor in rolling times).

 

[Swissbob]

I kind of disagree. If you compare the Panamera vs the Taycan in what I would consider normal driving you see the following:

Panamera 30 to 50mph 2.9 sec
Taycan 30 to 50mph 1.9 sec

Panamera 50 to 70mph 3.4 sec
Taycan 50 to 70mph 2.6 sec

When I am doing daily driving this is more important to me so I can get up and go quickly when I need to in traffic situations. I think this is more important than 0 to 60 time or speed. So the Taycan is faster.

and much better looking and more fun. Just saying…. ?

 

[@lpher]

And my favorite car of all time
1998 Toyota Supra Twin Turbo
321 HP
0-60 in 4.7 sec

Couldnt agree more... I still regret selling my BPU'ed 1994 Supra TT in MSB many years ago

 

[bruksnys]

I went for CT4 and more options. And for 17k EUR difference its a boat load of them

 

[jasperp]

The RWD performance from a dig vs at speed is truly odd.

Could it be because Porsche is just playing with the software to have a nice hierarchy of 0-60 times ?
They want to make the difference in advertised 0-60 times between the RWD and 4S big enough to let customers pay the extra price.

I find it also suspicious that the Performance battery plus has the same 0-60 times as the normal battery (while being more heavy) . If you buy the small battery, they reduce the inverter to be just as fast as the one with the bigger battery.
Else the smaller battery version would be faster (less weight) and less people would want to pay 6000 euro extra for a slower car (with more range).

It all feels a lot like marketing to fool the customer.

 

[Genau]

Could it be because Porsche is just playing with the software to have a nice hierarchy of 0-60 times ?
They want to make the difference in advertised 0-60 times between the RWD and 4S big enough to let customers pay the extra price.

I find it also suspicious that the Performance battery plus has the same 0-60 times as the normal battery (while being more heavy) . If you buy the small battery, they reduce the inverter to be just as fast as the one with the bigger battery.
Else the smaller battery version would be faster (less weight) and less people would want to pay 6000 euro extra for a slower car (with more range).

It all feels a lot like marketing to fool the customer.

Not disputing that Porsche does differentiate performance between models a little too perfectly, but consider the technical explanation discussed in prior threads. For example,

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/performance-battery-vs-performance-battery.7137/​

 

[philbur]

I tested it and the CT4 is fast enough and overall fast! Then drove my old and slow 993 C2. :/

 

[rich_r]

I kind of disagree. If you compare the Panamera vs the Taycan in what I would consider normal driving you see the following:

Panamera 30 to 50mph 2.9 sec
Taycan 30 to 50mph 1.9 sec

Panamera 50 to 70mph 3.4 sec
Taycan 50 to 70mph 2.6 sec

When I am doing daily driving this is more important to me so I can get up and go quickly when I need to in traffic situations. I think this is more important than 0 to 60 time or speed. So the Taycan is faster.

even from a stop they’ll feel similar unless you are using launch control in the panamera. The 5-60 time is indicative of real world acceleration from a stop

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