at what point do we stop apologizing for Porsche

[drkgt3rs]

My 2022 Taycan GTS delivered 07/01/22 has been perfect so far. I have 1200 miles so I don't have enough time with it. Hopefully, I won't run into problems as discussed above. I don't drive very fast all the time so the range is great for my use. I also have the variable light roof and it works perfectly. Very happy with the car.

how could you get this mileage? I have GTS and manage to get only 250 miles.

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[LDT]

how could you get this mileage? I have GTS and manage to get only 250 miles.

I don't know. I guess I don't drive as aggressive as most Taycan drivers. I have driven in Normal mode most of the time. In Virginia, the temp. is about 80F-92F. A/C set at 70F.

 

[TDinDC]

I don't know. I guess I don't drive as aggressive as most Taycan drivers. I have driven in Normal mode most of the time.

not that there is anything wrong with this, but makes me chuckle to hear this said by GTS owner. Sort of like a GT3RS owner saying that he or she never exceeds the speed limit. I know I couldn’t do or say that! But it is impressive

 

[Dee]

Are we derailing yet?

 

[BMonte13]

My 2022 Taycan GTS delivered 07/01/22 has been perfect so far. I have 1200 miles so I don't have enough time with it. Hopefully, I won't run into problems as discussed above. I don't drive very fast all the time so the range is great for my use. I also have the variable light roof and it works perfectly. Very happy with the car.

Impressive range! I’ve maxed out at 316 in my RWD.

 

[fullmetalbaal]

I just can't grasp this obsession with software, which seems to be started from Tesla owners. My PCM is a little laggy, but radio, heating, gears etc. comes on straightway, so everything you need to drive functions great. How big problem is that when shifting from a setting to another setting takes few milliseconds more?

App works good enough i can start charge and pre heat/cooling etc. sure it takes again few milliseconds more than the best apps would take.

Updates are the only problem which is real in my mind. And only that the big uPdate needs to happen in dealer. That is self it is not a big problem (if you live nearby) but if it takes days, that is a problem.

Recalls happen to every car maker and it is part of living with a car.

I think you understate how much of PITA this is compared to what should be:

(1) scheduling an appointment
(1 continued) rescheduling that appointment when said dealer reaches out 2 weeks later to tell me that despite letting me book an appointment, they didn't actually have capacity that day
(2) getting the car to a dealer
(3) getting it back days later

When all that should have been OTA by now.
The same OTA they promised me when I signed up on the waiting list before the car was even launched.
As in: I don't do shit, the car just is on a new version whenever it's ready.

More importantly: because it is so painful and costly for Porsche, my money is on this being the only update we will see in 3-4 years of ownership (taking the average).

When other companies steadily improve the product, ours are essentially frozen. (Before somebody tells me to go buy a Tesla - Not making this about Tesla: Rivian, Lucid, NIO, etc etc. all have this)

And no, I don't count map updates or random news app updates...

 

[Deleted member 7736]

I know I said I was out, but this thread is funny.

I can count how many major software updates with improved functionality I've gotten on all prior cars I've ever owned on exactly zero fingers.

Porsche provides a software update and makes it available to all model years, and everyone is pissing and moaning that it's not OTA and it's a PITA. If it's that much of an inconvenience... don't get it. Your car will continue to perform exactly as it did the day you took delivery. I know, I know... I'm just an apologist.

 

[daveo4EV]

I know I said I was out, but this thread is funny.

I can count how many major software updates with improved functionality I've gotten on all prior cars I've ever owned on exactly zero fingers.

Porsche provides a software update and makes it available to all model years, and everyone is pissing and moaning that it's not OTA and it's a PITA. If it's that much of an inconvenience... don't get it. Your car will continue to perform exactly as it did the day you took delivery. I know, I know... I'm just an apologist.

we'd be pissing and moaning less if they hadn't called out OTA as one of the key features of the Mission-E - which has so far been - nope just kidding

kinda like their 40 amp EVSE - nope just kidding about that also…

 

[Deleted member 7736]

Sorry... I didn't realize this thread was about the Mission-E. I thought it was about the Taycan.

Are you also upset that the fender doesn't slide out to reveal the charger, like the Mission-E concept?

 

[daveo4EV]

Sorry... I didn't realize this thread was about the Mission-E. I thought it was about the Taycan.

Are you also upset that the fender doesn't slide out to reveal the charger, like the Mission-E concept?

it carried over onto the Taycan - Porsche promised a lot of things - and so far they are wiff'ing on some of them - hence this thread - when do we stop apologizing for them…

OTA update were and still are listed as a feature of the Taycan
40 amp charging is still listed as a feature of their PMC+/PMCC chargers
Modern software with remote app based access

if they had not promised this stuff there would be no thread - but they decided to claim they could play this game - letting them off the hook isn't the solution and claiming it doesn't matter

if it doesn't matter then why did they list it as a feature of the vehicle? They put features in their product specifications for fun?

 

[Kingske]

It is a rather simple diagnosis: the Taycan has superior driving characteristics and rather good fit and finish, but clumsy software. Since I have not yet seen an EV which excels in road feel, build quality, and software alike, I opted to dial my software expectations down to “good enough” and enjoy that the Taycan does at least one thing really well: drive. For a car, that is not a low-priority feature. This being said, I have no problem with @daveo4EV ’s constructive dissatisfaction if it is intended to improve future generations of Porsche EV’s.

PS: the PMCC EVSE and Porsche’s way of “fixing it” are indeed a painful joke.

 

[fullmetalbaal]

Sorry... I didn't realize this thread was about the Mission-E. I thought it was about the Taycan.

Are you also upset that the fender doesn't slide out to reveal the charger, like the Mission-E concept?

I can show you the piece of paper on which Porsche explicitly called out OTA as a feature of the Taycan I was ordering. Not as some wishy washy concept "maybe this maybe that". But as a very specific "Taycan will do X".

As for "I was happy with a car before, why do I need OTA now"? That's like saying "go back to a normal phone, you had that before cell phones and seemed happy".

Several competitors have OTA, some for over 5 years. The bar has moved.

 

[Deleted member 7736]

OTA update were and still are listed as a feature of the Taycan

Where? The only mention I see on the website to "OTA" is this:

"For the first time, customers are able to purchase and use individual functions after the purchase of the car. In the Taycan, Functions on Demand can be enabled over the air. This means there is no need for time-consuming trips to the workshop. Instead, new features are just a tap away. So, get ready for the future – in your Porsche."

This already exists.

40 amp charging is still listed as a feature of their PMC+/PMCC chargers

As discussed elsewhere (ad nauseum) the PMCC works just fine as a 40 amp charger. Yes, it gets hot. Yes, that will uncomfortable to the touch. But I believe it was you that said this was more of a perception issue than a safety issue. That said, I agree with you (please see my quote that you cherry-picked to start this thread) that the current PMCC is not Porsche's finest work. But at the risk of stating the obvious, it's an accessory to the car, not the car.

Modern software with remote app based access

Seems to me that you're expecting the Taycan to perform like an iPhone. Someone once told me "frustration is just unreasonable expectations." If you're expecting a weekly update with fart noises and other inane nonsense, you've come to the wrong place. This was never Porsche's MO.

 

[Jhenson29]

I can show you the piece of paper on which Porsche explicitly called out OTA as a feature of the Taycan I was ordering. Not as some wishy washy concept "maybe this maybe that". But as a very specific "Taycan will do X".

Yes. Please post.

You have a ‘21 and I believe those supported FoD, which is considered OTA, isn’t it?

I’m interested in seeing the scope and source of what you were promised.

 

[daveo4EV]

https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/porsche-to-limit-the-number-of-taycan-ota-software-updates/

Porsche advertised the all-electric Taycan as being capable of OTA software updates. It was only after more than a year of being on the streets that the first update arrived, and unlike with Tesla, owners had to visit a Porsche Centre to receive the new features.

Taycan was going to be the modern platform showing porsche can do OTA updates - it was covere din the original mission-e Announcement and the Taycan reveal

it's backhandedly referenced in the 2021 non-OTA release notes update that the summer 2021 software would "enable porsche to handle more updates via OTA" in the future.

there is no question Porsche promised OTA support for Taycan that has so far gone unfulfilled.

I'm not posting about my GT3 not supporting OTA - that was never a listed feature of the platform.

Porsche is fumbling features that were promised and everyone says I have no reason to have that expectation - and other car manufacturers deliver a lot more functionality than fart noises…if you think that is all TEsla is doing with OTA updates you're simply not paying attention.

when they rolled out a fix to an ABS issue fix fleet wide in less than 2 week with no service visits the rest of the industry took notice…

betcha' porsche would like to do that with this issue - too bad they can't…

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...-a-standstill-july-22-2022.12517/#post-186730

or this issue…

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/electrical-system-fault-error.11995/#post-180008

or this issue…

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...ocking-with-comfort-access-may-16-2022.11618/

etc…

dealer vists are expensive for everyone (manufacturer, dealer, customer) - it's not like the lack of OTA updates is a good thing or something to aspire to - and it was featured as part of the modern EV Porsche was bringing to market.

and yet I'm told to sell the car and go get something else because I'm bring up an area in which porsche isn't doing what it said it would do and there is a lots of "it doesn't matter you don't need that"...

hmmmm - seems like the answer to the thread subject question is: We will always apologize for Porsche because they can just make things up as long as it is mechanically sound.

if that is the case they shouldn't list features they have no intention of delivering - and I'll purchase that car "eyes open".

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